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Aug 19, 2008 17:23 |  #1

Messing around with photoshop. Sill new to it, but let me know what you think...

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Aug 20, 2008 16:46 |  #2

they are both blurry and or out of focus. they are also both a bit flat. are these handheld?


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Aug 20, 2008 16:53 as a reply to  @ lbcyalater's post |  #3

Yeah, no tripod yet. Plus in the second one, I was leaning over the table (doesn't help, I know.). I guess these won't be keepers then :/..Aside from those things, do you think the PP was ok? That's more of what I was wondering about. That and the concept itself (something I had been thinking about doing for a while).


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Aug 20, 2008 17:02 as a reply to  @ Matt-641's post |  #4

well, in regards to the PP I think it could use a little more contrast. but other than that its coo. also if u dont have a tripod u can always try and find somewhere to post ur camera up and then set the timer on the cam so u dont risk camera shake


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Aug 20, 2008 17:03 |  #5

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Yeah, no tripod yet. Plus in the second one, I was leaning over the table (doesn't help, I know.). I guess these won't be keepers then :/..Aside from those things, do you think the PP was ok? That's more of what I was wondering about. That and the concept itself (something I had been thinking about doing for a while).

Not sure what PP you did other then a B&W conversion... If you can fill us in on that, then that'll help...
Disregarding the blurry and OOF nature of the photos, I think they are a bit flat, ie, not enough contrast. I don't like the picture in B&W either... I think if you are going to shoot "beer" bottles, especially ones with such dynamic colors as Mike's Hard Lemonade, color might be more interesting, leading to the next comment...
The background also needs help, but that's a bit nit-picky and I know you are more interested in concept and processing.

For the first one, from the side, it would be more interesting if you could see the front of the labels. I find the text and UPC label distracting.

For the from the top, it might be nice if they weren't empty, and the caps were still on them.

Also, try a different bottle, maybe a really interesting micro brew or something like that.

I hope this is what you are looking for and I'm not killing your desire to shoot this kind of shot again ;)


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Aug 20, 2008 17:31 |  #6

lbcyalater wrote in post #6146602 (external link)
well, in regards to the PP I think it could use a little more contrast. but other than that its coo. also if u dont have a tripod u can always try and find somewhere to post ur camera up and then set the timer on the cam so u dont risk camera shake

alright I'll try that next time, thanks.

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Not sure what PP you did other then a B&W conversion... If you can fill us in on that, then that'll help...
Disregarding the blurry and OOF nature of the photos, I think they are a bit flat, ie, not enough contrast. I don't like the picture in B&W either... I think if you are going to shoot "beer" bottles, especially ones with such dynamic colors as Mike's Hard Lemonade, color might be more interesting, leading to the next comment...
The background also needs help, but that's a bit nit-picky and I know you are more interested in concept and processing.

For the first one, from the side, it would be more interesting if you could see the front of the labels. I find the text and UPC label distracting.

For the from the top, it might be nice if they weren't empty, and the caps were still on them.

Also, try a different bottle, maybe a really interesting micro brew or something like that.

I hope this is what you are looking for and I'm not killing your desire to shoot this kind of shot again ;)

definately helpful, thanks..

-I thought the black and white would be good b/c the the area around the bottles has that older style and feel to it. But I see how a color one would work with the yellow labels.

-I agree with the UPC number, I didn't want them to show but they didn't seem to be too distracting when the picture was taken.

-Actually I did try a green bottle in the middle of them all, but the picture was even more blurry than these, so I decided not to keep it.


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Aug 21, 2008 18:44 |  #7

This better?

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Aug 21, 2008 18:56 as a reply to  @ Matt-641's post |  #8

better but still blurry, did u set the cam down and set the timer to go off?


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Aug 21, 2008 19:07 |  #9

no timer, set it down and looked through the viewfinder.


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Aug 22, 2008 04:26 |  #10

They are very soft, OOF. I would also go for the portrait mode. Maybe still not getting the whole bottle in but certainly better than a deliberate half view. Just MHO.

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Aug 22, 2008 07:44 as a reply to  @ CamDiver's post |  #11

Are you shooting these in Manual mode? 1/2 sec seems like a long exposure for f/4.5 at ISO400 with what looks like decent light. It is the long exposure that is causing your blur. Try to get that down.


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Aug 22, 2008 08:00 |  #12

I have a nikon point and shoot, and if you take a photo that blurry with it you get a message on the screen asking if you'd like the camera to delete it for you :rolleyes:

My advise, forget photoshop work on the photo first.

This is how, you took it at iso 400, shutter 1/3sec, with apeture 4.0 with no flash.

Double the iso to 800, then double it again to 1600. This will allow you to double the shutter speed to 1/6 and double it again to 1/12. Still a bit slow for a lens at 27, you really want to get to 1/30 to hand hold. So turn on the flash, flash is good :cool:


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Aug 22, 2008 11:31 |  #13

aduda wrote in post #6155319 (external link)
Are you shooting these in Manual mode? 1/2 sec seems like a long exposure for f/4.5 at ISO400 with what looks like decent light. It is the long exposure that is causing your blur. Try to get that down.

yes, I was in TV mode. Trying stay away from auto as much as I can.

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My advise, forget photoshop work on the photo first.

This is how, you took it at iso 400, shutter 1/3sec, with apeture 4.0 with no flash.

Double the iso to 800, then double it again to 1600. This will allow you to double the shutter speed to 1/6 and double it again to 1/12. Still a bit slow for a lens at 27, you really want to get to 1/30 to hand hold. So turn on the flash, flash is good :cool:

Thanks for the advice! I'm still learning what settings are appropriate for different situations, so this helps alot.

I'll have to give it another shot later today:)


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Aug 22, 2008 12:38 |  #14

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Thanks for the advice! I'm still learning what settings are appropriate for different situations, so this helps alot.

I'll have to give it another shot later today:)

That is why we have a CC forum, if your learning how this all works, your better of posting there as your more likely to get help.

This section by experimental means something along the lines of "I know what i'm doing but i'm bored so I'm gonna do something unconventional". But for some reason these pictures are grouped with still life and B+W also. Good fun though you never quite know what you'll get in this part of the forums :D


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Aug 22, 2008 12:48 as a reply to  @ Matt-641's post |  #15

Good call on staying away from auto.

If you are in Tv mode, like for this shot, crank up the shutter speed you are using. Looks like you used 1/2 or 1/3 for these. I would say try to get it to at least 1/100.

The other option would be to use Av mode, and choose a good aperture.

A good practice here would be to "bracket" your shots. You can set it to Tv mode, and choose a speed you think is good, then shoot one shot at a slower speed, and one at a faster speed. You can do the same in Av mode. Choose the aperture you think is best, then shoot a shot with a larger aperture, and one with a smaller aperture.

I have learned a lot by bracketing shots this way and comparing the results.

Another thing to consider is increasing the amount of light you have. Take it near a window or something.


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