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Canon EF 70-200mm F/4.0L IS vs F/2.8L IS

 
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Aug 21, 2008 07:25 |  #1

Take a look at these side by side test shots of the two lenses (simply mouse-over the sample image to flip back and forth between the lenses)

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0 L IS
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@ 200mm f/4 (external link)
@ (2xTC) 400mm f/8 (external link)
and never mind at Wide Open
@ 200mm f/4 vs f/2.8 (external link)


How can the more expensive 2.8 lens have lower image quality? Is it possible that the-digital-picture.com 's pictures are off?

Please, some one shed some light on these test samples.


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Aug 21, 2008 07:33 |  #2

I just read this in the review (external link) of the 2.8 lens

I have received some comments on the ISO 12233 resolution chart samples for this lens - some think they are too soft at f/2.8. As I get time, I retest questionable results - Or even buy another copy of the lens to insure accurate but expectable results. I re-tested this lens and the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L non-IS USM Lens at the 200mm focal length using AF, MF and bracketing - obtained results were identical. The chart is tough on optical performance, and real life images do seem sharper. I use this lens wide open much of the time - the results are quite satisfactory to me.

I guess that sort of explains a little bit, but then at the end he says

Stopping down from f/2.8 to f/4 will show a difference - and will make this lens very close in performance to the remarkable Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM Lens at the same aperture.

by "very close" is he implying that the f2.8 will not be able to achieve the great image quality of the f4?


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Aug 21, 2008 07:41 as a reply to  @ rafynet's post |  #3

blah blah blah...but the f4 cannot do 2.8 sooo lower light its not very useful
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Aug 21, 2008 07:44 |  #4

true :) I think I needed that slap in the face.


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Aug 21, 2008 07:46 as a reply to  @ 05Xrunner's post |  #5

In theory, the f/4 IS might be sharper, but that should NOT be a deciding factor in which lens to get. Do you need f/2.8? Do you prefer a lighter walkaround solution? Do you generally use flash anyway? These are questions that should lead you to which lens to buy.




  
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Aug 21, 2008 07:47 |  #6

SLAP! ;)

rafynet wrote in post #6150525 (external link)
true :) I think I needed that slap in the face.

I went with the 70-200mm f/4 IS and I'm happy. When I need more speed, I have my 85mm f/1.8, which is more than a stop faster than the f/2.8 IS AND alot lighter :)




  
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Aug 21, 2008 08:48 |  #7

I went with the 70-200 f/2.8 IS because I wanted the best lens too extend to 400mm but still have the 70-200 range for closer shots in low light situations.


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Aug 21, 2008 09:03 as a reply to  @ rafynet's post |  #8

It's reasonable to expect the f/4 version to be sharper, as it's easier to design and manufacture a lens with a smaller opening.
If your image can take the shallow DOF, then 2.8 allows for faster movement stopping shutter speeds, of course.

If you mainly aim at taking photos in low light, of non-moveable targets, then they are about equal, as the newer and more advanced IS in the f/4 version equates the larger opening in the f/2.8.
If you take images of moving objects at dusk or dawn, then you should realize that the brightness level at these times of the day changes pretty fast, so it's actually not so many more minutes of photo time you buy by investing that much more in an f/2.8 lens.

Then f/2.8 allows high-precision autofocus on many bodies and keeps autofocus with 2X extenders.

Cost and weigth are easy to compare for anyone.


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Aug 21, 2008 09:05 as a reply to  @ rafynet's post |  #9

i'm beginning to think the only complete solution is to have both. F4 for a light carry around outdoor zoom, and the 2.8 for lower light or for shallower dof.


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Aug 21, 2008 10:19 |  #10

apersson850 wrote in post #6150920 (external link)
It's reasonable to expect the f/4 version to be sharper, as it's easier to design and manufacture a lens with a smaller opening.
If your image can take the shallow DOF, then 2.8 allows for faster movement stopping shutter speeds, of course.

If you mainly aim at taking photos in low light, of non-moveable targets, then they are about equal, as the newer and more advanced IS in the f/4 version equates the larger opening in the f/2.8.
If you take images of moving objects at dusk or dawn, then you should realize that the brightness level at these times of the day changes pretty fast, so it's actually not so many more minutes of photo time you buy by investing that much more in an f/2.8 lens.

Then f/2.8 allows high-precision autofocus on many bodies and keeps autofocus with 2X extenders.

Cost and weigth are easy to compare for anyone.

Great comment. Thanks.

I was concerned that at the same aperture of f/4 images from the f/4L lens are sharper in those tests then the f/2.8L.


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Aug 21, 2008 10:47 as a reply to  @ rafynet's post |  #11

The f4 IS is the sharper lens, but sharpness should be a non-issue as both lenses are sharp enough.

-Can you afford the f2.8 IS?
-Do you need the extra stop of light or extra stop of IS?
-Does size matter to you?

I had the f4 IS and it was indeed a sharp lens. Very nice and portable. But I needed the extra stop of light more often than not, I could afford it, and didn't mind the size increase. So I traded it in for the f2.8 IS.




  
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Aug 21, 2008 10:57 as a reply to  @ nicksan's post |  #12

Here is yet another glowing review of the f/4 version from photozone.

http://www.photozone.d​e …-l-is-test-report--review (external link)

This site tends to provide lots of objective data with their reviews. They obviously like the f/4 IS version!:D


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Aug 21, 2008 11:08 |  #13

Elton Balch wrote in post #6151585 (external link)
Here is yet another glowing review of the f/4 version from photozone.

http://www.photozone.d​e …-l-is-test-report--review (external link)

This site tends to provide lots of objective data with their reviews. They obviously like the f/4 IS version!:D

... and in spite of the price, he still rated it a 15 out of a possible 15 stars!


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Aug 21, 2008 11:37 |  #14

egordon99 wrote in post #6150534 (external link)
SLAP! ;)


I went with the 70-200mm f/4 IS and I'm happy. When I need more speed, I have my 85mm f/1.8, which is more than a stop faster than the f/2.8 IS AND alot lighter :)

You may have just convinced me to trade my 70-300/DO for a 70-200/4.0 IS. I have enough fast primes to bury f/2.8 :)


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Aug 21, 2008 11:58 as a reply to  @ oaktree's post |  #15

Oak - I think that is a wise decision. I can see the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS being great in a fast paced setting (wedding) where the zoom helps you out, but I'd much rather have the 70-200mm f/4 IS paired with a 85mm f/1.8 and a 135mm f/2.0 (I've been trying to sell my spare body parts for the 135 L, but no one wants my kidney)...

I'm a big proponent of "f/2.8 is STILL too slow to shoot indoors in low light withou a flash" and the f/4 IS paired with a 580EXII works pretty well for me, and then the FAST primes come out when the flash has to be shut off.




  
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