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Aug 23, 2008 07:23 |  #16

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Ok, this is working for me now, although I find the more I learn the more I need to learn...

That's how it seems to work for me too :).

looking at samples and reviews and options you guys have put me onto I may have to bite the bullet and save a little more money for the low light option.

You can be sure we will help you make your wallet lighter much faster.... :)

The Canon 28mm 1.8 could be good, and i like some of the sample pics for the Sigma 30mm 1.4.
Are there any opinions about the pros and cons of the Sigma v Canon given the Sigma is the cheaper option? (AU$519 v AU$699 - tho I havent looked through the discount importer sites yet)

Sigma is designed for APS-C, the Canon can be used for FF as well. Personally I prefer the Canon, but others will tell you something else. The Canon is one of the most undervalued lenses in the Canon line-up, however.

A cheaper option could be the 35mm F/2 (AU$410). It kinda looks like a good middle ground between apature/price/FOV trade offs compared to the 28mm and 50mm options - but does middle ground equal mediocre?

No, the 35 F/2 is a very capable lens. The main reason it so much cheaper is that it is a somewhat older design, and doesn''t have USM, but one of those bee-type AF engines. The 28s are a bit better, however, as is the 24.

the 50mm 1.4 is over AU$500, but I'm thinking that it could be getting a little long.

I think it is unless you plan on shooting portraits most of the time.

The more I think about it, I reckon indoor low light is more important than night out door, so I don't mind losing that option in the lense - I'll just use it as a reason to learn more about ISO. Would F/2 be a good place?

IMO, low light photography starts with F/2 and faster lenses. You may not need it for a specific shoot, but at least it is there when you need it. Generally, the faster the better, provided the lens is either as good at full aperture as stopped down 2 or 3 stops, or gets there before F/2 or F/2.2. When it really gets dark you need F/2 or F/2.2 with anything from 28 mm and up.

If I do use the ISO more for lowlight, maybe I should stick to 2.8, seeing as I'll be learning to use that with the Tokina 11-16?

Not necessarily, because in order to shoot handheld you need as a rule a minimum shutter speed, roughly equal to 1/(FL*crop_factor) s. This is why you can get away with slower shutter speeds for shorter FLs. BTW, for kids you generally need faster shutter speeds, easily make it 1.5 to 2 X faster, IOW, 1/(FL*crop_factor*2)s.

In that case I could look at options like the 24mm 2.8, which is over AU$500 but seems very popular, or get the 28mm 2.8 for about AU$300, which would bring me a little closer to budget (not that thats not in tatters now anyway).

I would consider those for general shooting, but not for low light in- or outdoors shooting, although the 24 probably is borderline, especially because it is very good at F/2.8 already, with a very even sharpness distribution over the entire field. But generally, they are too slow IMO, and not really much faster than the kitlens (only 2/3 f-stop).

I'm still trying to understand the relationship between aperture and DOF, but is that another reason to look F/2 and up?(tho turning architectural detail into flat shapes and lines can be interesting).

That is not what DoF does. DoF, Depth-of-Field, only tells you at which aperture with which focal length, with which medium from what distance to what other distance, when focused at a specific point so-and-so far away, the objects in your pictures will be sharp. This means that at larger apertures (smaller numbers) you will have less DoF, and less sharp in the image, than with smaller apertures (larger numbers), although there si a limit, namely diffraction. With APS-C from F/13, altough the theoretical DoF gets larger, in fact the sharpness will decrease, because of light diffraction. With FF that is from about F/18. So you should ideally not use a smaller aperture than those.

Look here: http://dofmaster.com/d​ofjs.html (external link)

I mean, I can alway look into getting a 1.4 of some kind later on...

That's always a possibility :D.

AAAARGH! too many decisions! Maybe I'll let it go for now and play with the kit lens and ISO!

That may well be a very good thing to do :). Play, and see where you find you need more speed, and faster apertures, and how much, and then select your lens.

Kind regards, Wim


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Aug 23, 2008 11:12 |  #17

zetomenon wrote in post #6157449 (external link)
snip... "(I recently read a comment on a forum to the effect that someone chose quietness over optic performance when picking a lense"...snip

That was probably me, Zetomenon. And yes, when the optics are roughly the same I will always choose the quieter focusing one for my work :) . It's good that that doesn't matter to you, as that opens the door to lenses like the Sigma18-50 and Tamron 17-50 - both fine optics.


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