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indicolt45
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Aug 27, 2008 14:48 |  #1

Ok I got my first photo job comming up this month and I was wondering which brand of circular polarizer should I purchase. Using an XTI with a 24-105L IS and a 430ex speedlite in a indoor night setting with some light. Any thoughts between hoya and tiffen?




  
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Aug 27, 2008 15:02 |  #2

Not sure if you have the time, but I have all Kenko filters. Made by Hoya but without the USA warranty, but usually half the price, for the exact same filter.


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Aug 27, 2008 20:20 |  #3

I'd look at the B+W MRC C-Pol... much cheaper than the Hoya Pro 1, but still very high quality.

I don't think the Tiffen is multi-coated. I wouldn't buy a C-Pol that isn't MC.

But I gotta ask, why in the world would you be using a C-Pol indoors?

I can only guess for reflections... But overall I can't think of many times it would be very useful... especially at night... and when also using a flash.


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Aug 28, 2008 14:37 |  #4

As for the filter, I currently have a UV filter on for protection but i just wanted to buy another one to have it on my lens permantly and I thought just have have c-pol would be a good all around filter to have all the time in any environment. the indoor lights is very bright, so I'm just picking up a boucer for my 430ex, but all I just wanted to have is more vibrant colord without having to do that much processing in lightroom. Thanks a lot for the info. but what's the difference between multicoated filters?




  
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Aug 28, 2008 16:03 |  #5

A cirpol is only effective where there is diffused and/or reflected light, so not quite sure it will achieve what you want. A good cirpol is color neutral and does not directly give you more vibrant colors, rather by removing diffuse and extraneous reflections allows the true colors to come through. The filter will likely cut your light back 1-3 stops as well. Might be good to read up on cirpols first.

http://www.heliopan.de​/Heliopan-Filters.pdf (external link)

In any case, if you want decent results, buy a good quality multi-coated cirpol. I use only B+W or Heliopan and have found most others to be comparatively lousy.


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Aug 28, 2008 16:13 as a reply to  @ John_T's post |  #6

I'd recommend the B+W MRC CPL F-Pro. Maybe it depends on your location but in general I found B+W more expensive than Hoya Pro1's. I have a couple Pro1's and they are nice but I'm finding B+W to be very high quality. Heliopan is another high quality option.




  
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Aug 28, 2008 16:20 |  #7

Hoya and Tiffen filters use aluminum for their rims and therefore tend to seize easier/more than the brass B+W and Heliopan use for their rims (brass is stronger too). Especially with polarizers which have two very thin rims, one that freely turns and one you are trying to turn, seizing can be a problem. A polarizer is not a filter that is left on a lens full time. Just a side note, this boy does not use so called 'protection' filters except when needed (flying sand or mud, paintball, water spray).



  
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Aug 28, 2008 17:22 |  #8

jr_senator wrote in post #6198873 (external link)
Hoya and Tiffen filters use aluminum for their rims and therefore tend to seize easier/more than the brass B+W and Heliopan use for their rims (brass is stronger too). Especially with polarizers which have two very thin rims, one that freely turns and one you are trying to turn, seizing can be a problem. A polarizer is not a filter that is left on a lens full time. Just a side note, this boy does not use so called 'protection' filters except when needed (flying sand or mud, paintball, water spray).

Not all B+W filters use the brass frame. Pretty sure the slims are aluminum.




  
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Aug 28, 2008 17:32 |  #9

Tsmith wrote in post #6199178 (external link)
Not all B+W filters use the brass frame. Pretty sure the slims are aluminum.

News to me. You sure? I would think brass, for the strength, would be even more wanted on a slim filter.



  
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Aug 28, 2008 17:34 |  #10

If you're splurging on a B+W why not get a kaseman?


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Aug 28, 2008 17:47 |  #11

indicolt45 wrote in post #6191056 (external link)
Ok I got my first photo job comming up this month and I was wondering which brand of circular polarizer should I purchase. Using an XTI with a 24-105L IS and a 430ex speedlite in a indoor night setting with some light. Any thoughts between hoya and tiffen?

In a indoor night setting with some light I would go with maybe one of the B+W Conversion filters . . . maybe a KB 15. A circular polarizer is used mostly to polarize the light reflected on surfaces from from the sun.


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Aug 28, 2008 17:50 |  #12

lonelyjew wrote in post #6199229 (external link)
If you're splurging on a B+W why not get a kaseman?

Kasemann C/Ps only have a possible advantage in humid climates and like multi-coating (on a polarizer) is generally not a worthy additional expense.



  
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Aug 28, 2008 17:54 |  #13

sittingbackrelaxed wrote in post #6199298 (external link)
In a indoor night setting with some light I would go with maybe one of the B+W Conversion filters . . . maybe a KB 15.

Not needed with digital.



  
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Aug 28, 2008 18:21 |  #14

Thank's guys for all your info. hmm... it really get me thinking or weather or not I should buy a polarize filter, if it doesn't make that much different in clarity indoors then my lens and flash should be enough to get some really good pictures. I might just spend the money on a 16gb sd.




  
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Aug 28, 2008 19:06 |  #15

jr_senator wrote in post #6199323 (external link)
Not needed with digital.

I still shoot both digital and film (often on the same night) and I use this same filter indoors at night mostly on film but have been known to leave it on when I switch lens from my film to my digital camera. Depending on what you set your white balance as I never use the AWB setting, it can be used digitally.


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