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OneEyedJack
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Aug 29, 2008 19:53 |  #1

so before today ive considered myself a novice photographer. I started as a hobby and gradually grew more involved. ive been shooting for about a year and by no means do i consider myself a professional..well until today.

Today i got hired at a studio that deals with graduation portraits, sports team portraits, and less frequently, family portraits.

Can i now consider myself a "pro" or am i still in the ameture catigory?

My wage is $8.00 per hour, all rights to the photos i take while on the clock are property of the studio. i own no rights to them. All the gear is being supplied by the studio.

basically i just wanted your advice/comments..and of course to brag about my new job :)

the only bad thing is ill be going to the evil side. all company cameras are nikon D70's


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Aug 29, 2008 19:54 |  #2

You are a pro if a 'substantial' amount of your income is derived from photography.
What 'substantial' means, is arbitrary.


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Aug 29, 2008 20:03 |  #3

well, this job will bring in the only income i have..so...


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Aug 29, 2008 20:10 |  #4

$8? Thats it?


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Aug 29, 2008 20:41 |  #5
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Deckham wrote in post #6206294 (external link)
You are a pro if a 'substantial' amount of your income is derived from photography.
What 'substantial' means, is arbitrary.

That's like saying a person who flips burgers at McDonalds is a professional chef. Just because you get paid to take photos does not make you a pro.




  
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Aug 29, 2008 20:53 |  #6

This topic comes up about once a quarter. Let me summarize. About half the folks think "pro" is related to the income you make from photography. The other half think "pro" is related to how you run your business and handle your customers. The two halves never agree with each other, then after a while the topic dies out :)

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Aug 29, 2008 20:56 |  #7

Hogloff wrote in post #6206463 (external link)
That's like saying a person who flips burgers at McDonalds is a professional chef. Just because you get paid to take photos does not make you a pro.

Actually, it does.
Despite what the colloquial has become, the word means exactly that - earning money. And yes, if you flip burgers at McDonalds, you would be a professional short-order cook - and not a chef, ffs.

There is a general rule as to how much of a percentage your earning are to be considered a professional. Canon, if I remember correctly, make it around 30%.

In the OP's case - you are a professional.


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Aug 29, 2008 20:58 |  #8
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tracknut wrote in post #6206505 (external link)
This topic comes up about once a quarter. Let me summarize. About half the folks think "pro" is related to the income you make from photography. The other half think "pro" is related to how you run your business and handle your customers. The two halves never agree with each other, then after a while the topic dies out :)

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i thought it was both that made you a pro... btw i had a job like that once, and it gave me a great deal of experience both with taking photos and dealing with customers. if you truly want to be pro (not saying i'm there yet) this will be a GREAT first step. all i can say is do not expect it to be easy!


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Aug 29, 2008 20:58 |  #9

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$8? Thats it?

theyre starting me at 8 until they can get me out on a shoot and evaluate how i work, then ill be bumped up a dollar or 2.


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Aug 29, 2008 21:00 |  #10

And for the record...

A "PRO" does something for a living.

How you treat your customers is with "PROFESSIONALISM".

Believe it, or not... there IS a difference between the two. Just because a person treats his customers like crap does not mean he is not a "PRO". It just means that he doesn't act with PROFESSIONALISM.

So, if you're doing photography for a living... you're a pro.


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Aug 29, 2008 21:03 |  #11

OneEyedJack wrote in post #6206532 (external link)
theyre starting me at 8 until they can get me out on a shoot and evaluate how i work, then ill be bumped up a dollar or 2.

Also for the record... dude... you're getting ripped off! I don't get out of bed for 20 times that, an hour... ;)


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Aug 29, 2008 21:07 |  #12

Sounds like that place in Walmart.


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Aug 29, 2008 21:13 |  #13

710 Studio wrote in post #6206559 (external link)
Also for the record... dude... you're getting ripped off! I don't get out of bed for 20 times that, an hour... ;)

i actually agree, but it will give me something to put on my resume, and 8 dollars an hour is better than 0 dollars an hour (my current wage) lol


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Aug 29, 2008 21:17 |  #14

That is true, any percentage of nothing is still nothing.


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Aug 29, 2008 21:19 |  #15

OneEyedJack wrote in post #6206608 (external link)
i actually agree, but it will give me something to put on my resume, and 8 dollars an hour is better than 0 dollars an hour (my current wage) lol

A very good attitude, and as long as you use the time developing your skills (get it?), it's free tutelage :)
Just periodically assess your performance/income ratio ;)


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