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Sep 02, 2008 09:58 |  #1

Hi people. I have to say I am a complete newbie when it comes to D-SLR's. I recently bought a EOS 450D, a Canon 18-55mm lens, and a Tamron 70-300mm lens.

I would like to get a few filters; polarising, UV, and a few special effects ones. I will be using this camera for multi-purpose. I have a few questions;

  • will the filters be interchangeable between lenses? The Canon lens reads 58mm, but no size indication is marked on the Tamron.
  • Is there anything to avoid? I have seen heaps of filters going for virtually nothing on ebay, and others priced really high. Being an entry level D-SLR, would there be any real benefit from the high priced ones?
  • Are there any brands I should avoid, and any that are recommended?
Flashguns;

I would like to photograph live bands in concert, which would be a good flashgun for this purpose? I have seen some older Canon ones going very cheap, is there any reason for this, or is it simply down to trend / people wanting the latest model?

Also I would like a lens hood for the Canon 18-55mm, but I can imagine this would make it difficult to remove the lens cap due to the pinch clips only being on the perimeter of the lens cap.


I'm on a pretty tight budget, but I wanted to ask these questions before committing to buy anything I may later regret.

Thanks in advance for your time to help me out on this :)

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Sep 02, 2008 11:59 |  #2

Get a screw-in UV for each individual lens for protection. Most other effects can be done in photoshop. Otherwise gen up on the Cokin P series holder and filters which will allow you to move the filters from one lens size to another with the aid of adapter rings.
Rubber lens hoods are cheap and cheerful, available everwhere. Canon hoods are very expensive for what they are.
Live bands in concert generally do not allow photography unless authorised and probably never allow flash.
You should look out for an ETTL flash for that camera not TTL or A-TTL. Third party brands like Sigma are compatible and cheaper than Canon, but make sure it is for a Canon.
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Sep 02, 2008 14:35 as a reply to  @ CaptainPete's post |  #3

Some low priced information

Your 18-55mm lens takes a 58mm filter while your 70-300mm takes a 62mm filter. You can get by with using a single filter by purchasing a 62mm filter and a 62-58mm step up ring that will allow the 62mm filter to be used on the 18-55mm.

Step up rings can be had as low as $4.49 on eBay. This is quite a saving over a separate 58mm filter.

This is the most economical way to do this however, it does get to be somewhat of a pain when switching lenses because it involves an additional step of switching filters.

The question of using a clear or UV filter over your lens for protection has advocates on both sides. One group says that any filter will degrade the imagery and that you should not use a filter to protect your lens. The other group states that a small amount of image quality fall-off is a decent price to pay for protecting your lens.

If you decide on a protection filter, make sure it is the best you can afford. Inferior filters (unfortunately Canon is among that group) will degrade your imagery. Excellent filters are expensive but those such as B&W and Hoya Multi-coated are worth the money.

Besides the possibility of using a protective filter; a circular polarizer (CPL) is a great investment and will pay dividends in better photos. Again, buy the best you can afford. If you get your filter from Hong Kong, you will usually save money. On eBay, new 62mm CPL filters run anywhere from $10 to $90 and, there is really that much difference in the quality. The CPL is really the only filter a beginner needs. It is one of the few filters the effects of which cannot be duplicated in post processing.

As far as lens hoods, I recommend that you ALWAYS USE ONE whether you are shooting outdoors or indoors. Most lens suppliers except Canon regularly supply lens hoods with their lenses. Canon only supplies hoods for a few lenses, mostly the "L" grade models and expects you to buy their overpriced hoods. However, you do have a choice, China is producing some very adequate hoods and hoods for your kit lens are being sold as inexpensively as $10 on eBay. I use a Chinese hood for my 17-55mm f/2.8 IS lens and it works just fine.

Now about lens caps. The Canon OEM lens cap is a side pinch cap in which you need to squeeze the sides of the cap to attach and remove it. This is sometimes difficult when using a lens-hood. I recommend a center pinch cap and these are available on eBay sometimes for less that $5.00. I bought a used Canon 300mm f/4L IS lens which came with a cracked lens cap. I replaced that cap and five other side pinch Canon caps with Chinese made center pinch models for less than Canon charges for a single cap. The Chinese center pinch caps come with the Canon logo if you desire.

Now as for flash units. If you are on a tight budget; a used Canon 420EX flash is a very serviceable unit that can be obtained rather inexpensively on eBay. There are quite a few that are under $100 on eBay right now. The bidding will go up but, you should be able to obtain one of these units for right around $100. They don't have all the bells and whistles of the newer models but are very good units at an excellent price. Later on, if you want to upgrade to a 580EX, you can use the 420EX as a slave.


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Sep 02, 2008 22:25 as a reply to  @ RPCrowe's post |  #4

Hi, thanks for your replies. I managed to get an adaptor to step my 58mm lens up to 62mm. I have also ordered a 62mm Hoya Pro1 Digital circular polariser. I hear these are good for making the picture more dramatic, but would they be any good for portrait shots?

I also managed to get some extremely cheap second-hand Hoya 58mm filters from my local camera shop, such as a Skylight [1B], and a Yellow [K2]. I was told the yellow K2 is good for black & white portraits. I don't mind buying a bunch of second hand filters to play around with, as I'm a beginner experimenting until I find my niche.

Which filter would be the best for night shots? I noticed a lot of my long exposure stuff looks very yellow.


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Sep 02, 2008 23:04 |  #5

Brainstormer wrote in post #6229978 (external link)
I have also ordered a 62mm Hoya Pro1 Digital circular polariser. I hear these are good for making the picture more dramatic, but would they be any good for portrait shots?


Which filter would be the best for night shots?

The answers in order are, no and none.



  
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Sep 02, 2008 23:15 |  #6

RPCrowe wrote in post #6227082 (external link)
You can get by with using a single filter by purchasing a 62mm filter and a 62-58mm step up ring that will allow the 62mm filter to be used on the 18-55mm.

As far as lens hoods, I recommend that you ALWAYS USE ONE whether you are shooting outdoors or indoors.

Step up rings and hoods don't mix. Get a separate filter for each lens, get a good, decent filter like Heliopan or B+W and use only when your environment (blowing sand, flinging mud, etc) requires it.



  
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Sep 02, 2008 23:22 |  #7
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Filters should be your last concern at this stage.
UV filters are not necessary; they are not going to improve your photos.
CPL filter is good to have, but it is used for ‘special effects’, not every day, not in every situation.

Get decent hoods, not the cheap, rubber ones – they’ll protect your lenses more than UV filters.
Invest in good flash and stabile tripod at this time; they are going to influence your photos more than any filter.

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Sep 03, 2008 17:28 |  #8

Hermeto wrote in post #6230222 (external link)
Filters should be your last concern at this stage.
UV filters are not necessary; they are not going to improve your photos.
CPL filter is good to have, but it is used for ‘special effects’, not every day, not in every situation.

Get decent hoods, not the cheap, rubber ones – they’ll protect your lenses more than UV filters.
Invest in good flash and stabile tripod at this time; they are going to influence your photos more than any filter.

Welcome to POTN!

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You can do any custom filter work (except polarizing) in post processing. Remember that your lens is only as good as its worst element.


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Sep 03, 2008 18:34 |  #9

Titus213 wrote in post #6235163 (external link)
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You can do any custom filter work (except polarizing) in post processing. Remember that your lens is only as good as its worst element.

Well, if one uses PhotoShop and shoots b&w one either needs a filter to get certain affects or a plug-in for the program (take the photo in color and then filter). My experience is that the plug-in in this case does not work very well, it's best to shoot in the b&w mode and use a b&w filter.



  
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Sep 03, 2008 18:38 |  #10

Hermeto wrote in post #6230222 (external link)
Filters should be your last concern at this stage.
UV filters are not necessary; they are not going to improve your photos.
CPL filter is good to have, but it is used for ‘special effects’, not every day, not in every situation.

Get decent hoods, not the cheap, rubber ones – they’ll protect your lenses more than UV filters.
Invest in good flash and stabile tripod at this time; they are going to influence your photos more than any filter.

Welcome to POTN!

Ditto to all the above.


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