TooManyShots Cream of the Crop 10,203 posts Likes: 532 Joined Jan 2008 Location: NYC More info | Sep 03, 2008 21:48 | #1  Permanent banI am quite new in flash photography. I will be shooting couple of shots in a very large dinning room (convention hall in Vegas). Intend to shoot 7 to 8 persons sitting in a round table. Ceiling is too high. Nearest wall is probably some 100ft + away. How do I go about using the flash? I have a Stofen flash diffuser. One Imaging Photography
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1]  More info | Sep 03, 2008 22:11 | #2 Get something considerable larger in area than that Stofen, which is scarcely larger than the native flash lens...a small 5x7 softbox or a 5x7 reflective white card would do much better than that Stofen, when there is no ceiling to use as a big bounce surface. You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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tim Light Bringer  51,010 posts Likes: 375 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand More info | Sep 03, 2008 22:53 | #3 Small softbox will make little difference when shooting something that size. Can you shoot ambient? Probably not enough DOF even at high ISO. You could try room lighting, ie setting up strobes in different places around the room to lift ambient a bit. Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
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DSMITH131 Senior Member  850 posts Joined Jan 2005 Location: Lexington NC More info | Sep 03, 2008 23:43 | #4 If you have someone to help you you can use a reflector and bounce your flash off it Daniel W. Smith Photography
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SFzip Member 110 posts Joined Jun 2007 More info | Visual aid. A ballroom in the Venetian Hotel in Vegas. High ceiling and far away walls.  Before ruling out the ceiling being too high, check out this thread...No more excuses about high ceilings and bounced flash I think a direct ceiling bounce without Stofen and a small index card for forward fill should do the trick. I'd consider zooming the flash to 105mm for this situation. You'll need DOF for people around the tables. Full frame...maybe f7.1 w/high ISO. Crop frame...maybe f5.6 w/med ISO. Be prepared for longer recycle times.
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tim Light Bringer 51,010 posts Likes: 375 Joined Nov 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand More info | Sep 04, 2008 03:36 | #6 Stofen plus a zoomed flash head makes little sense - they negate each other. Throw away the stofen with high ceilings, just use the bare flash at 105mm with a white card on the back, and preferably with a CP-E4 battery pack Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
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RenéDamkot Cream of the Crop  39,856 posts Likes: 8 Joined Feb 2005 Location: enschede, netherlands More info | Sep 04, 2008 05:36 | #7 TooManyShots wrote in post #6236554  I am quite new in flash photography. I will be shooting couple of shots in a very large dinning room (convention hall in Vegas). Intend to shoot 7 to 8 persons sitting in a round table. Ceiling is too high. Nearest wall is probably some 100ft + away. How do I go about using the flash? I have a Stofen flash diffuser. So; you are going to shoot up close, not an overview of the entire room? "I think the idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas Adams
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TooManyShots THREAD STARTER Cream of the Crop 10,203 posts Likes: 532 Joined Jan 2008 Location: NYC More info | Sep 04, 2008 11:10 | #8 Permanent banIs the ball room in Maladalay bay. I think the ceiling is much higher, as I remember last year, the company was hanging 10 or more projectors from it. I would definitely try to shoot the entire room using only the ambient light. SFzip wrote in post #6237625 Visual aid. A ballroom in the Venetian Hotel in Vegas. High ceiling and far away walls. Before ruling out the ceiling being too high, check out this thread...No more excuses about high ceilings and bounced flash I think a direct ceiling bounce without Stofen and a small index card for forward fill should do the trick. I'd consider zooming the flash to 105mm for this situation. You'll need DOF for people around the tables. Full frame...maybe f7.1 w/high ISO. Crop frame...maybe f5.6 w/med ISO. Be prepared for longer recycle times. One Imaging Photography
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TooManyShots THREAD STARTER Cream of the Crop 10,203 posts Likes: 532 Joined Jan 2008 Location: NYC More info | Sep 04, 2008 11:11 | #9 Permanent banMostly just people I know sitting all together in a large ball room. René Damkot wrote in post #6238337 So; you are going to shoot up close, not an overview of the entire room? Flash will be powerful enough, provided you're using halfway sensible ISO and aperture settings. Just bounce it, and use an index card for a bit of fill. The ceiling isn't "high" in that posted image. One Imaging Photography
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