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Sep 09, 2008 08:30 |  #1

'm a noob with a camera and I took these pictures for fun. I was an attendant of this concert so I didn't have any special access. I just walked around to find whatever angles I could get. My camera has limited ISO so I shot in manual mode and did whatever I could to lock myself in either ISO 400 or 800. (1600 on an XSi yields unacceptable results). It goes to show that with a little inginuity there are ways around not having to spend a forture on cameras like the 1D or Nikon's D3

I'm not looking for CC. I'm just posting these for anybody that might know about Starfield and are interested in checking out the Sudbury show

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Sep 09, 2008 08:41 |  #2

Pity about the focus on #1 and maybe 2.
#3 and 4 are nice. #5 is a bit OoF again.
#6 has an awkward expression
#7 is nice, would be nicer if recovered a bit.
#8 is killed by flash ;)

Good set.

By the way: ISO 1600 is very usable IMO on every camera that was released after the 10D...

Expose well, pixel peep less, print more ;)


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Sep 09, 2008 10:18 |  #3

Thanks for taking the time but really, I wasn't looking for technical critiquing. Hence the reason I purposely did not number the pictures. I wasn't assigned to shoot the event professionally, so I was just snapping away and hoping whopping 9-point focus system might accidentally produce in-focus pictures. The lighting guys must have been asleep because the band were playing mostly in the dark the whole night, especially the first half. The drummer was in pitch black behind a screen, so I'm a little curious how else I could have exposed his existence without using flash.

PS - it was my first concert shoot. Pointing out focus flaws, for example, does nothing to elevate my ability to take sharper pictures with the tools I am limited to.


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Sep 09, 2008 11:27 |  #4

Guess I missed the "not looking for CC" bit.
Sorry 'bout that...

Anyways, like I said; Nice set.
Thanks for sharing.


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Sep 09, 2008 11:39 |  #5

Pearlallica wrote in post #6272212 (external link)
PS - it was my first concert shoot. Pointing out focus flaws, for example, does nothing to elevate my ability to take sharper pictures with the tools I am limited to.

Uh...I don't think your gear is all that limited...and it looks like you had a reasonable amount of light.

In this type of photography, noise is generally more acceptable than motion blur or camera shake. Your pictures will be sharper if you increase your ISO and shoot with a little more shutter speed. Also, your 50 f/1.4 is a good alternative if the light gets really bad.

But yeah...ignore this post I guess.


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Sep 09, 2008 12:05 |  #6

haha when someone who is better than something at you offers advice, take it- i dont really see how you can reject a chance to get better at something you enjoy doing.

so uhhhh....nice pics?




  
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Sep 09, 2008 12:22 |  #7

bacchanal wrote in post #6272686 (external link)
Uh...I don't think your gear is all that limited...and it looks like you had a reasonable amount of light.

In this type of photography, noise is generally more acceptable than motion blur or camera shake. Your pictures will be sharper if you increase your ISO and shoot with a little more shutter speed. Also, your 50 f/1.4 is a good alternative if the light gets really bad.

But yeah...ignore this post I guess.

Yeah, the 50 would have been good but it was up in the balcony packed away and the concert was moving along so quickly I couldn't afford to run after it. It would have never given me any tight shots, anyhoo, since the front was loaded with wild young people and I wasn't about to bring a bracketed camera/flash into the a risky situation. I started out shooting at 1600 which is a photographer's first instinct. I was looking through the results and I was getting the typical harsh reds/oranges/yellows, bright, colourful noise and blown out areas from spotlights. In hindsight my shutter speeds may have been too slow. But at the time I was willing to sacrifice sharpness easily after the shots I was seeing. These guys were being back-lit more than anything and so I ultimately I did have to flash fill if I wanted to bring out their faces.

LOL that expression in 6 is pretty awful. I just like how I got the flash output just right.

But thanks for the tip - I'm encouraged to keep a some faith in my upper ISO settings for the next time I'm shooting under similar conditions.

And thanks for the compliment. For a first concert and from somebody with as many posts as you, that really does mean a lot.


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Sep 09, 2008 13:04 |  #8

Pearlallica wrote in post #6272974 (external link)
I started out shooting at 1600 which is a photographer's first instinct. I was looking through the results and I was getting the typical harsh reds/oranges/yellows, bright, colourful noise and blown out areas from spotlights. In hindsight my shutter speeds may have been too slow. But at the time I was willing to sacrifice sharpness easily after the shots I was seeing. These guys were being back-lit more than anything and so I ultimately I did have to flash fill if I wanted to bring out their faces.

Increasing your iso isn't going to hurt (as far as blow outs) as long as you increase shutter speed to match the exposure. Also, AWB is almost always going to give you a rather red look under typical stage lights. Tungsten WB will get you closer to where you want to be (in camera that is...you always have total control with raw of course).
In situations like #7, where you have bright stage lights against a black bg, you can use a -EC to compensate for the mostly dark scene (generally I would use Av as wide as you can go and center weighted avg or evaluative metering for this). This will both solve the overexposure issue and bring up your shutter speed.
Sorry if you know all of this already, and of course...it does get pretty tricky trying to properly expose for folks wearing dark clothes against a dark bg.
I find it interesting that you used M mode with M flash, P mode/M flash, and Av/no flash at different times. If you remember, what power was your flash set at? Looks pretty low (which is a good thing generally).


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Sep 09, 2008 14:13 |  #9

bacchanal wrote in post #6273280 (external link)
Tungsten WB will get you closer to where you want to be (in camera that is...you always have total control with raw of course).

I find it interesting that you used M mode with M flash, P mode/M flash, and Av/no flash at different times. If you remember, what power was your flash set at? Looks pretty low (which is a good thing generally).

Initially, I was wildly alternating between settings because, again, concert lighting is just so new to me and so I was doing a LOT of experimenting just to see what worked and what didn't. I pretty much attended just for the sake of learning. One can only read so much theory until practice is needed for it to seep in. Thanks for the advice though. I don't have a teacher to critique my efforts, so I'm left to judge based on resources from books and the internet. It's nice to have actual advise about this stuff which really helps puts things into better perspective.

It was half-way that I figured I needed to switch into tungsten WB which gave me the cool blues that expressed the event best. I could have warmed up the drummer pic since it is overly-blue. But I like the look (as if the blue lights were hitting him) and I have no client to please but myself. In AV mode the camera kept selecting very slow shutter speeds, most likely because of tricky metering. M just gave me total control. I had the flash powered as low as I could to blend with the natural light for a natural appearance.

I was constantly tinkering with flash power output. Depending on my distance from the stage I was anywhere from 1/128 to 1/64 but full power for some of the bounced shots since the ceiling was in range and white.

I'm anxious to take some of these principals into my next low light shoot. Thanks, guys, for taking the time to shed some light on my work. (lame pun defintely intended!)


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