will g3's take better

No, I didnt buy one, just exchanged it for a black one.

If I might make a comment. This is a dumb debate!

Defining 'What is a good picture?' has been the preoccupation of photographic and art schools since the first photographic device was designed. There is a broad consensus of opinion on this, but the truth is 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'.

A camera is a tool and you cannot define a 'good picture' only in terms of resolution and technology.

IMHO

Well, in my opinion a good pictures is a SHARP/CRYSTAL CLEAR one.

OK!

That is the point - 'in your opinion'

Some great pictures that have won international accolades have not been crystal sharp - but they have captured a moment in time in a powerful and stunning way.

There is no one way to define this. Many on this forum are taking beautiful, special pictures that capture their memories, even with 2mp digicams, these are great pictures because someone appreciates them.

Just on a personal note - for me a great picture is one that has a message, that makes a statement, but that is 'my opinion'.

C'ya

Gibbs
This is the thing, I need a camera to capture family outings, traveling, around the house etc etc, and I need these pictures to be the best quality possible, as CLEAR / SHARP as they can be, that's what I use the camera for, not for winning international art competitions or anything even remotelly like that. All I want is when I see a picture on my screen, I want it to look as real life as possible so it feels like I am looking through a window.

Hi'ya

Those ARE important pictures - they are your memories. There is nothing wrong with wanting them to be as good as they can possibly be.

In my opinion your current digicam is quite capable of capturing great pictures. I have had a long and happy association with the visual arts and my Dad before me was a professional photographer. Point is - I know a little about the medium. I honestly do believe that the G2 will do the job. Have some of your photos printed, I think you will be pleasantly suprised.

Have a good one.

schimsky wrote:

Braveheart,

The Definition of a good picture is certainly subjective. You might have only seen poor images.

What do you think about these images?

https://photography-on-the.net/gallery/list.p​hp?exhibition=2

Are they "decent" but nothing more than that.

Hehe, I'd say the picture quality on those photos are excellent! I'm figuring should I buy G1 instead of G3, but I guess in the long run it's all about the photographer

Hope that the G3's quality can make it like the G1.

braveheart, actually, you're in the wrong on this one, sorry...

Modern digital cameras (like the G2/G3 or the D60/1D/1Ds) have better colour reproduction, sharpness, and detail than a conventional 35mm SLR. If you want to approach the picture quality attainable with a 4-5 Mp Digital, you'll need to go find yourself a cheap Medium format setup, and if you want to come near the technical capabilities of the new 1Ds, you'll need an extremely expensive mediium format camera/film/paper or a mid priced 4x5 camera.

The current wave of ccd/cmos sensors are simply more technically accurate than chemical film of the same dimensions. You wanting sharp, clear pictures might be due to using your camera for snapshots, rather than photos. If you induce camera shake, or don't allow time for the camera to properly focus, or have dirty optics, you'll have a less crystal clear image than if you used a tripod with ample focusing time, with clean optics.

A lot of people will disagree with you, I heard quite a few people who are into photography that said that no digital camera of today can make pictures as clear and sharp as film cameras.

I have seen a description of a CCD out on the net that works just like color film.

Canon's CCDs, like most others, use a cluster of three pixels to get the RGB. This new CCD uses layers just like film so a single point will have three sensors, each at a different layer capturing different wavelengths of light.

Here is a link: http://www.foveon.com/​X3_tech.html

Hopefully Foveon will take the VHS route and license their technology and not the BetaMax route and try to stay exclusive. (For those who don't remember BetaMax, it was Sony's format for VCRs and had a better quality that VHS. But Sony's decision to not license their format and JVC's decision to share their technology was the deciding factor that won the war.)

Anyway, here is a tech that should not only equal, but surpass 35mm film for capturing an image.

Hmmm…
To compare bad to nothing obviously makes no sense. Following this logic any tree (for example) could be said to be tall and by the same logic the same tree could be said to be small, tiny, huge, infinite or whatever you like.

I have seen lousy photos taken with digital cameras and with film cameras as well (even took quite a few of them myself). Likewise I’ve seen extraordinary photos taken with both types of cameras. I think I’ve seen enough of both to say with absolute certainty that digital cameras are capable of producing GOOD photos.

You may say that this is just my opinion, but I find that GOOD is not that relative and that it can’t be reduced to be just anything you like.

Anyway I was searching for info on the G3 … it’s was quite amusing to read this post, so it made me stop for while. Is that GOOD?

Braveheart,

Like Pekka I started digital with G1 and I've gone to a D30. I'm in a pro photographers in a major city with over 150 memebers about 90+% are wedding/portrait photographers... they are 60% digital and of the remaining 40% about 90% of them are going to switch but funds are an issue, the remaining 10% are older people that don't have enough years left of work to justify the learning curve and expense of switching. (these figures are based on what I've seen as a "show of hands" these numbers are estimates."

I work with a photographer that is in the middle of the switch and shoots both film and digital. This photographer will be all digital next year, and this means letting go of the hasselblad. This is the top voted photographer of our city in 2001 and is a major award winner.

I don't know a pro shooter that says digital is not there unless they are saying that as a way to justify not switching.

The thing I do hear many pros say is "use a lab not an ink jet". So when your judging quality, pay attention to where your judging it... two prints... on digital and an identical on film both lab processed... then compare and decide. But don't say "I heard....." you need to see for yourself.

I REGRET selling my G1 !!

I did apples to apples testing on my G1 and D30 before I sold the G1 after I got my D30. The noise of the G1 was significant. But it can do things my D30 can't... IR. I will get another G-series camera. I'm ok with the noise as I like the style of it.

Which brings up another point. If you take a famous painter and lock him away in a room with cheap childerens paints and tablet paper... he'll make art you can enjoy.

...its not the tools. its the talent.

James

Braveheart,

Are you comparing the kodak dcs pro 14n with an APS film camera? That is a BROAD statement! By the way the dcs 14n is suppose to list for $4000.

The G3 with the DIGIC processor and the ISAPS system should take better photos. Hope you enjoy. I have been putting off the purchase of a G2 for almost 6 months. I want it as a point and shoot. I have a Canon D30 and it is a bit much to carry everywhere.

I just kept waiting for the price to fall and now that the G3 is out I am still in a wait state, but this is ok as I do have the D30 to play with.

As for all of you that keep finding fault in our digital toys, why are you in these formums if you are die hard film users.

I try to support local when possible. The only real camera store in our town has lost out on a couple of thousand dollars in purchases from me because the manager finds fault in every piece of equipment I get intrest in.

To all those using Digital. Enjoy! May we all learn from our mistakes and share our successes with everyone, even those that don't find digital as being good enough!

I got an idea, lets compare consumer grade digital camera's to large format film camera's. Great idea methinks.

(note the sarcasm)