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How high can a 1D body be dropped?

 
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Sep 14, 2008 11:31 |  #31

skyscape wrote in post #6304009 (external link)
Kanye is a punk for doing that
a plain punk

anyways, since I never owned a mark 3, I would have no idea how well its built. Assumming its built very solidly it probably can with stand SMALL impacts like bumps and nicks. BUT when you're gunna drop a camera, that can be very tricky. (from my AP physics course) It all depends on the angle of impact, the materials of impact (floor and the strengths of the internals of the camera), and the pressure it has on the part of the camera from the impact when impact is received. If these numbers are high then you might have to buy a new mark 3, if these numbers and conditions are low then u might be lucky with a scuff or dent.

Kanye's a punk anyway. Success turned him into one along time before this incident.


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Sep 14, 2008 11:34 |  #32

Punk is too nice of a word for a$$h*les like that!


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Sep 14, 2008 11:55 |  #33

Can you throw a 1D farther than you can throw a 5D?


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Sep 14, 2008 13:36 |  #34

Wilt wrote in post #6304922 (external link)
Can you throw a 1D farther than you can throw a 5D?


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No, it's too heavy :D


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Sep 14, 2008 13:43 as a reply to  @ post 6301603 |  #35

How do you know he wasn't provoked? It isn't right but many of these "photographers" bring that kind of retaliation onto themselves.

Just my $0.02


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Sep 14, 2008 13:47 |  #36

spitfirejd wrote in post #6301188 (external link)
Put it this way, I repair SLRs at Canon and if a camera comes into the refurb section with any kind of impact damage, we immediately scrap it. If it belongs to an end user, then we have no choice but to fix it, but even if it leaves Canon in working order, it could have more problems related to the drop at anytime in the future. One "problem" is that Canon only uses lead-free solder, which is very environmentally friendly, and the law in many countries, but it is also much more brittle than solder with lead in it. An impact can crack a solder joint that may fail in the future. Changes in temperature and humidity can create intermittent problems that would be nearly impossible to diagnose and repair. Since I started working at Canon, I always keep my camera strap around my neck. You wouldn't believe some of the damage we see every day.

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Sep 14, 2008 16:12 |  #37

SunTsu wrote in post #6304764 (external link)
I couldn't exactly tell what kind of body it was, but it looked like it had a built in grip. Are you pretty sure it's a 40D?

Again, how can you tell what the thing is? I watched the video a few times and couldn't make it out. I'm going to guess the flash is toast too though, but I'd imagine it could take a fall better than a camera.

100% sure on both, there was an article somewhere on it.


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Sep 14, 2008 16:27 |  #38

Here's one article, doesn't mention type of camera, though. http://www.rockymounta​innews.com …kirmish-photographer-lax/ (external link)


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Sep 14, 2008 16:36 |  #39

On the news they say it was a $10k camera but you know how the news is.


  
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Sep 14, 2008 16:37 |  #40

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So if this photographer brought in his camera with visible damage all over the place, you guys would still attempt to fix it? Is there a point at which the repair bill is more than the cost of replacing the unit that you guys just tell the customer to forget it?

Canon wouldn't even replace my 10D shutter...citing it as "beyond economical repair" due to the high count already on it. Makes no sense to me, but it's absolutely not true that Canon will fix anything "no matter what." If they will, they would have gladly replaced my shutter and billed me for it.


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Sep 14, 2008 19:25 |  #41

cdifoto, a shutter is a bit different matter because there is a measurable life expectancy for them. On the XTi/XSi, it's 50k clicks. On the 5D and xxD series it's 100k, and the 1D MkIII is 300k. Canon won't repair a shutter that has over 50% of its expected clicks, nor refurb a camera that is over 50%. Based on that I could see them not replacing it under warranty perhaps (although I don't say I'd agree with it), but why they wouldn't replace it for a fee is beyond me. I'll ask our estimators about that as well as what they would do with an end-user camera with obvious damage tomorrow. I work on refurbs so I'm not sure what all the rules for end-user repair are.


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Sep 14, 2008 20:12 |  #42

spitfirejd wrote in post #6306892 (external link)
cdifoto, a shutter is a bit different matter because there is a measurable life expectancy for them. On the XTi/XSi, it's 50k clicks. On the 5D and xxD series it's 100k, and the 1D MkIII is 300k. Canon won't repair a shutter that has over 50% of its expected clicks, nor refurb a camera that is over 50%. Based on that I could see them not replacing it under warranty perhaps (although I don't say I'd agree with it), but why they wouldn't replace it for a fee is beyond me. I'll ask our estimators about that as well as what they would do with an end-user camera with obvious damage tomorrow. I work on refurbs so I'm not sure what all the rules for end-user repair are.

My 10D was long out of warranty, and I had purchased it 2nd hand anyway so that's not a factor.

I sent it in for a shutter replacement and they sent it back with a note saying it was beyond economical repair. I never received a cost estimate.

Makes no sense to me, but in the end it worked out. I sold it on eBay for half of what I paid (with full disclosure of course) and bought a minty one to replace it for 50% more. I didn't lose a whole lot of money and didn't have to sink more money into an old, clearly well used body. Only thing I don't care for about the situation is the fact that as many clicks as the first 10D had on it, I added very very few.


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Sep 14, 2008 21:37 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #43

Depends on how high and onto what.. I once dropped a Nikon F off a crane track onto a roll of conveyor belting then it slid onto a concrete floor.. A few dings in the body and a cracked pentaprism mirror but it still works fine..


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Sep 15, 2008 01:32 |  #44

Perhaps he mistook the photographer for a golddigger? :D Either that or he's yiked up on too much of that Pepsi that he does ads for


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Sep 15, 2008 15:55 |  #45

Here's the word from the experts at Canon. If an end-user camera comes in with obvious impact damage, it will get sent back as uneconomical to repair. The reason is there are so many things that may have been damaged but may be working for the moment. A good example is solder joints. Canon only uses lead-free solder which is good for the environment but is more brittle than lead-based solder. An impact could crack a joint that might only fail in a few months or when the camera gets hot, for example. Whenever Canon repairs a camera it comes with a six month warranty, but nobody wants to keep sending it back for problems that keep popping up, especially intermittent ones that might not fail back at Canon.

The same thing goes for cameras that have water damage, sand inside them (happens a lot!) or have been opened/tampered with by the customer.

As far as the 10D shutter, that one is still a mystery to me unless they thought there was some other damage. Just because it was old and it may not have had much of its value left will not get it an UTR. If a customer wants to spend $500 to fix a $600 camera, they'll let them as long as one of the above conditions were not met. Normally an estimator will contact you with how much it will cost and you can say yes or no. Again, that assumes there is no impact damage, etc.


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