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40D back from Canon, now overexposing?

 
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Sep 19, 2008 17:08 |  #1

Is this even possible? I was out today finally using the 40D after it came back from Canon for sensor cleaning, firmware update and the focusing issue's with ai servo.

Now it seems like its overexposing. I was shooting in full manual, custom wb, ai focus with the 24-105 f/4L and hoya cpl. Shooting some tree's and having the exposure set to what the camera says is correct the pics came out way blown out. If i stepped it down 1 full stop it looked the way it was supposed to be.

Should I send it back to canon for the 3rd time or is there something I should change internally? I checked the settings and set them back to what i had since they were changed or set back to original presets.


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Sep 19, 2008 17:14 |  #2

Maybe post some pics so that everyone can take a look and try to decide


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Sep 19, 2008 17:15 |  #3

im working on that now. Had company come over to the new apt so im trying to get that done.


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Sep 19, 2008 17:17 |  #4

I usually shoot with the exposure compensation on -2/3 I have always thought my 40D blows highlights.


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Sep 19, 2008 17:18 |  #5
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Random pictures are not going to help, I’m afraid.
It’s better to take just a shot of a gray card IMHO.


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Sep 19, 2008 18:24 |  #6

40Driggs wrote in post #6342737 (external link)
Maybe post some pics

2005GLI wrote in post #6342743 (external link)
im working on that now.

Hermeto wrote in post #6342756 (external link)
Random pictures are not going to help, I’m afraid.

Especially after they've had processing done on them.


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Sep 19, 2008 18:28 |  #7

Shoot a grey card or white paper/wall and check your histogram on the LCD. It should be right in the middle.


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Sep 19, 2008 18:29 |  #8

Maybe try a flash shot in P mode to see if the camera can read the exposure accurately? (not with Cfn set to 1/250)


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Sep 19, 2008 18:59 |  #9

Hi,

Assuming anything isn't really wrong with the camera ( I don't know) read below. It explains that the camera isn't under/over exposing just because the ticker on the meter is in the middle. It is programmed to read for 18% grey. If you already know everything below, and there is something going on with the camera that I don't understand I apologize. But maybe it can help someone understand the temporarily illusive concept of exposure. Once it clicks, its nice!

Whatever you meter, if you set the ticker to the middle your camera will make that grey in your picture. If you meter a white card and set it to the middle of the graph, then all of your whites will be grey and your pictures will be underexposed, assuming you took the camera to mean that was the correct exposure.

If you meter off of a jet black card and then take a picture of that it will be grey. All blacks will be grey and if you take that to heart, than all of your pictures will be over exposed.

If you meter of an exact grey card, that is lit properly, and evenly than that will be grey and you will have correct exposure. The trick to a greycard is that if uneven light is hitting it then it can be off. It is just truly a starting point because I feel that exposure, once at a certain level, is subjective to the look you are going for.

So if you meter for white, black, and grey and take a picture of each card the pictures will all look identical grey if you set the ticker to the middle.

All the camera meter does is assumes whatever you are metering is the 18% grey (they get that because most scenes will average out to 18% grey in reflected light). But you have to know if you are metering off of something lighter than grey, then your picture will be underexposed if you don't take it into consideration and go to the right on the meter graph. You have to keep trying new exposures until you get what you are after. Eventually it will be second nature.

If you are metering off of something that is darker than 18% grey, and you take it to heart and go with the middle ticker, than your picture will be over exposed. In this case you need to go to the left of the ticker.

Take a baby for instance. If you are taking a picture of a light baby on a light background the camera will give you settings for the ticker to be in the middle. What you were considering "correct exposure". In realty there is a ton more light coming off of the scene then would if it it were all grey. So the camera will suggest to you that you turn all of those whites and light colors grey and underexpose. You need to learn how to evaluate the scene and compensate for it being light be setting the exposure to what appears to be over compared to the camera ticker.

I hope this explains it a little. Do some experiments, take a white piece of paper and shoot it where the camera has the ticker in the middle. Do this with black and your grey card. You will see that they all will be grey. Then under and over expose each one until you get the true values. This should show you how the camera meter works better.




  
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Sep 19, 2008 21:18 |  #10

well here are the 2 pics. no pp, just resized.

First is shot that camera said was correct.

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second 1 stop down.
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Im sure i could've taken better pics but i wasn't exactly trying to test the exposure at that time. Some im sure will say the first pic is fine, but the daylight was nowhere near that bright out, not even close to how the pic shows it.

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Sep 19, 2008 21:48 |  #11

Very tricky situation with the large difference in brightness between the car interior and the sunlit outdoors, who knows how the metering would try to split the difference? I think shooting a grey card as suggested above is a better test.




  
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Sep 19, 2008 21:59 |  #12

2005GLI wrote in post #6343809 (external link)
well here are the 2 pics. no pp, just resized.

First is shot that camera said was correct.
QUOTED IMAGE

second 1 stop down.
QUOTED IMAGE

Im sure i could've taken better pics but i wasn't exactly trying to test the exposure at that time. Some im sure will say the first pic is fine, but the daylight was nowhere near that bright out, not even close to how the pic shows it.

The daylight was nowhere that bright out there lighs your problem our eyes can adjust much better than camera lens any day the above posters advise to check exposure with a grey card or a more neutrel scene will give you a better idea but inside a car under a bridge focus on the white house looks pretty spot on to me.


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Sep 19, 2008 22:00 |  #13

Shoot a grey card and see if it is over/under exposing. This is a tricky lighting situation that looks pretty darned good as it is.



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Sep 19, 2008 22:38 as a reply to  @ Naturalist's post |  #14

That pic is not a good test. You have a dark car interior in the shade, a white house in the sun filling a small portion of the shot and everything in between. I believe the camera exposed pretty damn good. The one stop down is better for the white house but the majority of the shot is under exposed.


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Sep 20, 2008 12:48 |  #15

ok im going to go out today and try again.


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