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D700 on DPreview - low DR, lots of RAW headroom?

 
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Oct 07, 2008 20:18 |  #1

Did anyone else catch this from DPreview's detailed review of the D700:

http://www.dpreview.co​m/reviews/nikond700/pa​ge20.asp (external link)

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The D700's measured dynamic range is up to a stop lower than that of other cameras near the top of the market (and more than 1.5 stops lower than what we measured on the Sony A900). The application of a steeper tone curve means you are getting more consumer-friendly, 'punchier' out-of-cam images but also highlights are clipping a little earlier. It is a little surprising that Nikon chose to apply such a steep tone curve but as you'll find out in the RAW section below, shooting RAW and some processing will get you a much more impressive result.

I haven't used a D700 extensively, but I find this kind of surprising, esp compared to the D3. It also seems to suggest that the A900 could make a great low iso landscape type camera.

On, the other hand, they go on to say that the D700 has more than typical RAW headroom (similar to the D3, better than the 1DsIII and significantly better than the 5D).

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As we've mentioned above the D700 offers significantly more than the usual stop of RAW headroom. When you flatten the tone curve and make proper use of the large pixels' light gathering capabilities you get just under 2 extra stops. Just as on the D3 the ability to pull back both shadow and highlight detail is incredibly impressive, as demonstrated by the examples below. No doubt the D700's performance is in the same ballpark as the D3's and with some careful processing you can get an impressive amount of additional highlight and shadow detail in your images.
There is surprisingly little channel clipping here and as a result you're not being troubled by color casts in recovered highlight areas. At the dark end of the tone scale (lifting shadows to deal with under exposure) you'll also get pretty good results at lower ISO settings. Having said that though, underexposing very high ISO shots will introduce a lot of noise and possibly banding if you apply too much positive digital exposure compensation.

Anyway, I just thought this was sort of interesting. Certainly something to consider for jpeg shooters. It will be interesting to see if the 5DII is significantly different than the 1DsIII and how it will compare (in terms of RAW headroom) to the D3/D700.


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Oct 07, 2008 20:29 |  #2

It's interesting, though I don't shoot JPEG so it would not affect me. Could one make some adjsutment to the JPEG processing settings that would stop this? Just reduce contrast or something?

If you look at the rest of the review, the 5D and D700 look very good against each other, though the D700 has a lot more updated features and the noise is better controlled at 3200 (and presumably 6400 etc though this would require pushing the 5D in post).

D700 looks super. I would take it like a shot over the Sony, and it's nicer than my 5D just on a feature basis. Next up is to see the 5D2 added to the mix. One hopes the high pixel count does not make it like the Sony, but we shall see.


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Oct 07, 2008 20:55 |  #3

Wow that Sony looks like garbage! Who is gonna pay that kind money for a "landscape camera"? Hell, my ELAN is a great full-frame "landscape" camera. LOL

The 5D does look good against the D700. I think the 5DmkII will be even better, especially when you downsize the huge images. I must admit the D700 looks like it's full of nice features though!


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Oct 07, 2008 21:26 as a reply to  @ DStanic's post |  #4

I don't think that there's any issue there for JPEG shooters - simply turn on active D lighting (highlight / shadow control). I shoot RAW+JPEG Fine with the Active D Lighting set to "Auto". The out-of-the-camera JPEGs are very, very good. With the auto Active D Lighting, shadows are brought up nicely as if I'd used "fill light" in Light Room and the High Lights are brought down to a perfect exposure as if I'd used a "Recovery" slider on a RAW image.


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Oct 07, 2008 21:26 as a reply to  @ DStanic's post |  #5

Yeah, if the initial images are any indication, I don't think the A900 will be serious competition for the 5DII in terms of high ISO IQ. That said, the A900 may find it's niche...I'm sure someone will buy it. ;)

And yes, the good 'ol 5D holds it's own. I sold mine (a bit prematurely) in anticipation of the 5DII and I'm already regretting it. It's hard to go back to using my 30D after getting accustomed to FF...not that the 30D is bad by any means.


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Oct 07, 2008 21:30 |  #6

Ocean Blue wrote in post #6457033 (external link)
I don't think that there's any issue there for JPEG shooters - simply turn on active D lighting (highlight / shadow control). I shoot RAW+JPEG Fine with the Active D Lighting set to "Auto". The out-of-the-camera JPEGs are very, very good. With the auto Active D Lighting, shadows are brought up nicely as if I'd used "fill light" in Light Room and the High Lights are brought down to a perfect exposure as if I'd used a "Recovery" slider on a RAW image.

True, I guess I didn't really think about that (I never shoot jpeg). I just found it odd that the D700 offers comparatively low DR "out of the camera" while it has a seemingly high usable DR in the RAW file. RAW files with that amount of range must be awesome with Lightroom 2's ability to do local adjustments.


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Oct 08, 2008 01:00 |  #7

I suspect that the Nikon engineers were very or overly cautious not to blow the highlights with the JPEG programming.

I think they should upgrade the firmware to increase the JPEG dynamic range. However, seeing as the JPEG images have a 7.8 stop range, adding 5 in the RAW mode would put it at about 12.8 stops which seems too much seeing most are scratching 9 stops in JPEG and may be one more in RAW for a total around 10 stops. I think Phil may have made some typos or miscalculations perhaps.


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Oct 08, 2008 09:30 |  #8

I think the one thing that jumps out for me was the dynamic range in RAW. 11 odd stops is huge. If the 5D mark 2 is near that number I might have to get one.


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