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Oct 11, 2008 12:09 |  #1

Below is a screen shot of photomatix picture on right and open the same tiff file in PS. The photomatix picture is clearly more saturated. I just do a straight process and save to 16bit tiff then it open like the one on the left you see.


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Oct 11, 2008 13:25 |  #2

What monitor?

PS shows (sRGB/16) in the top, so the default working space is used.

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If you have PS set up anywhere near correctly (meaning: At least the 2 tickboxes in "Policies" shown below ticked), then PM didn't strip the profile.

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Possibly PM did embed the profile but doesn't color manage. If you have a wide gamut screen, it would look like that.

DLing a trial of PM now, so I'll have a look ;)

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Oct 11, 2008 13:45 |  #3

Okay. Your PS color settings (tickboxes) are probably wrong.

PM uses the same profile that the originals had, but doesn't embed it... sRGB in this case. (I used the demo images of the Photomatix site)

Really stupid that PM doesn't embed the profile IMO.

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20081011-qhqexrgadffct19adhn4iij5ty.jpg

If you do that, the image will look the same as the preview:
(The screenshots are PM preview left, PM right. Both screenshots have my screens profile, that's because OSX is color managed)

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20081011-j84p8i1mttsg4m2c2dyfm6d14u.jpg


The good point here is that you can easily in PS assign a different profile till you get the one you need: It won't alter the image data.

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Oct 11, 2008 14:19 |  #4

If you use PM for Raw images, have a look in the prefs: That's the profile that PM does embed ;)
So if you started from raw files instead of converted images, something else is wrong.

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Oct 11, 2008 14:35 |  #5

Rene, in his screenshot, his PS colorspace is set to RGB, according to what it says in the picture frame.


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Oct 11, 2008 14:57 |  #6

canonloader wrote in post #6477957 (external link)
Rene, in his screenshot, his PS colorspace is set to RGB, according to what it says in the picture frame.

"RGB" isn't a color space...

sRGB is, AdobeRGB is as well.

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Oct 11, 2008 16:11 |  #7

I right clicked on the raw file sin bridge and said open with photomatix. They are shot in adobergb, my default working space in PS is adobeargb. I also looked in preferences of photomatix and it is Adobergb for default output.


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Oct 11, 2008 16:22 |  #8

I am at a loss as everythnig is set to adobergb. Thanks for all your help in this Rene.


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Oct 11, 2008 16:34 |  #9

What they are "shot in" is irrelevant, as they are raw, so the raw converter determines the color space. (In this case AdobeRGB, if that's what you set in PM)

I gave it a quick try, and opened up 2 raws in PM.

After creating the HDr and saved it, It opened without problems or warnings in PS, with Adobe profile embedded. Looked identical to PM.

How do other images look in PS? Might be a wrong or corrupt monitor profile...
In your color settings, what does it tell you your monitor profile is? Is that the correct one?

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Anything else you changed recently?

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Oct 11, 2008 22:25 |  #10

Sorry for the delay, I was out with the wife for the evening.

My monitor is Calibrated cinema displays. I edited 3000 wedding photos and printed with exact color match with out any issues. The default monitor is the cinema display.

I am only having color issues with the processed tonemapped images from photomatix.

The colors are very dull and not as vibrant as the like the screen shot above.


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Oct 12, 2008 07:45 |  #11

Okay. So I'd assume that PS isn't the problem.

On thing is strange though: The screenshot you posted is in AdobeRGB. It should have your monitor profile. That's the way OSX works (at least 10.4 and prior)

So either it got converted to working space automatically when you opened it in PS (if you don't have the "mismatch" box ticked, or you did it on purpose (why?) or something is off.

I strongly suggest you tick the mentioned tickboxes, if only to find out if the tonemapped image also gets auto converted from another (wrong) profile.

The image looks somewhat as an image that was in your display profile that had AdobeRGB assigned. (about the only explanation I can think of). So something very strange indeed is going on.

What version of PM are you using? What happens if you DL the "trial" images I used above? (or other jpg files)


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Oct 12, 2008 08:39 |  #12

I'll try the trial images. The one in picture on the left is photoshop and the one on the right is matix. I just minimized photoshop itself and left the picture window open. I will double check everything else again also.

I am sing the latest version os photomatx.


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Oct 12, 2008 13:39 |  #13

I'll move this thread to "RAW, Post Processing and Printing", since I think it's a software problem rather then specific to HDR... Maybe someone there knows a fix.


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Oct 13, 2008 13:26 |  #14

I got a response from Photomatix. Seems as though the preview window will never match the final processed output image according to there FAQ.

I suppose it is because they were takn with a 1DSMKIII and the preview window is much much lower res than the actual file, well from reading this. I may be interpeting it wrong.

http://www.hdrsoft.com …q_photomatix.ht​ml#preview (external link)

The Tone Mapping preview does not look the same as the final output image.
This should only happen if you use the Details Enhancer method to tone map the image. The preview is pre-computed by tone mapping a low resolution version of the original image. The low resolution version does not contain the same pixel values as the entire image. That is, the input is different, and this makes the Details Enhancer algorithm behave differently.
The preview has for purpose to give you an indication of how the final tone mapped image will look like, and how changes in the settings influence it. It is not an exact representation of the final result, unless you use the Tone Compressor method to tone map the image.
When the final result is not like you wanted it, you can undo the Tone Mapping (from the HDR menu on Windows and the Edit menu on Mac) and try the Tone Mapping again using other settings.
The differences should be less noticeable with a lower value for the Strength and Light Smoothing settings, and a value of 0 for the Black Point. Also, it is a good idea to select the higher preview size for the tone mapping window.


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Oct 13, 2008 17:25 |  #15

I have a hard time believing that the difference would be this huge...

Have you checked why the screenshot you posted was in AdobeRGB?


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