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Nikon renewed my love for my 20D

 
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Oct 15, 2008 13:47 |  #16

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #6501081 (external link)
No, actually they don't. :rolleyes:

If you wanna be argumentative, use examples.

auto focus, iso performance, metering, fps, crop factors, flash control, menu navigation, just to name a few reasons on why the camera matters.


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Oct 15, 2008 15:27 |  #17

I'll post some samples comparing my 20D to the D80 when I get a chance.




  
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Oct 15, 2008 15:34 |  #18

thelightofsound wrote in post #6501167 (external link)
auto focus, iso performance, metering, fps, crop factors, flash control, menu navigation, just to name a few reasons on why the camera matters.

Yeah, OMG, I mean nobody ever took a good photo before dSLRs without all that fancy automatic stuff!!!  :p

Wow... I should just throw my old rangefinders in the trash... :rolleyes:


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Oct 15, 2008 15:40 |  #19

m-bartelt wrote in post #6501793 (external link)
Yeah, OMG, I mean nobody ever took a good photo before dSLRs without all that fancy automatic stuff!!! :p

Wow... I should just throw my old rangefinders in the trash... :rolleyes:

Of course nothing in life is so one sided. Gear matters, skills matter.

Considering equal skills and technique, good gear make life much easier.


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Oct 15, 2008 16:18 |  #20

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...Considering equal skills and technique, good gear make life much easier.

I think that this says it all. Gear is just gear and you can put the best gear in the hand of someone who has no skill and they will produce crap, and you can put a P/S in the hands of someone highly skilled and they can produce some very nice work.

But given a fixed skill level, your going to be able to produce better results with higher quality gear. That's why so many here crave L glass and single digit bodies. If gear really didn't make a difference, we would all have 300Ds and a kit lens.


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Oct 15, 2008 16:28 |  #21

Anyways, sorry for my rude burst of sarcasm.

Autofocus, autometering, etc... only make it much easier to take a picture.

A crap camera in the hands of a pro will produce much better results than a novice with the best gear.

Technique > gear 24/7


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Oct 15, 2008 16:39 |  #22

i didn't say that you can't take a good photo without those things. you must have missed the point in all the sarcasm.
and it's funny you mention your rangefinders because if cameras do not matter, then why would you need a rangefinder???
and your point is also lost in the conversion from digital to film. i can take the same picture with my spotomatic as any other 35mm camera assuming the focus and exposure are correct; however, that is not the case with a digital sensor. and also it is the ease of achieving the focus and correct exposure that makes some cameras easier to operate than others

m-bartelt wrote in post #6501793 (external link)
Yeah, OMG, I mean nobody ever took a good photo before dSLRs without all that fancy automatic stuff!!! :p

Wow... I should just throw my old rangefinders in the trash... :rolleyes:


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Oct 15, 2008 17:51 |  #23

thelightofsound wrote in post #6502150 (external link)
i didn't say that you can't take a good photo without those things. you must have missed the point in all the sarcasm.
and it's funny you mention your rangefinders because if cameras do not matter, then why would you need a rangefinder???
and your point is also lost in the conversion from digital to film. i can take the same picture with my spotomatic as any other 35mm camera assuming the focus and exposure are correct;

Of course, having the exposure correct doesn't help you if your exposure parameters aren't set properly to accomodate the requirements of the scene and/or your creative intent, such as motion and how it should be captured (or stopped).

That's where gear limitations can come into play in a major way. The difference between a camera that, for instance, has good high-ISO capability and one that doesn't can easily make the difference between getting good results from the shot and getting poor results. You'll quickly run into limitations like this when you attempt to capture relatively large depth-of-field shots of people in low light.

The bottom line is that the gear you have determines the compromises you have to make in order to get the shot, and ultimately places upper bounds on what you can do. The more capable the gear, the more flexibility you'll have in your creative decisions.

The skill of the photographer counts for more than most people realize, but I think in a way it's a two-edged sword: on the one hand, with greater skill comes greater ability to work within the limitations of the camera, but on the other hand, I expect that greater skill also increases the chance of hitting some of those limitations.


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Nov 01, 2008 22:40 |  #24

I realize this is a pretty old and dead thread, but I just wanted to clarify something, just in case anyone searches for anything on the d80 around here. My disappointment with the body was because of its ISO performance...that's it. All of the other factors that have been mentioned here weren't a problem for me, and in fact, in most of those categories, the body performed excellently. It feels great to shoot with, and I really wanted to like it, but high ISO performance is one of the most important factors in a body for me, since I do mostly low-light shooting. If you don't shoot at high ISOs often, I would highly recommend the camera, especially at the low prices it can be had at now used. I just wanted to clarify. Thanks!




  
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