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Oct 28, 2008 19:45 |  #1

Don't know if any of you looked at all the things Nikon updated on the D300 with their new firmware release, but it did get me to wondering. How much does Canon update?

It seems to me they only update to fix issues, not to add functionality. And once the issues are done, so are the updates. I've never bought a new model out of the gate, so I've not had to update my camera.

I read through some of the update notes for Canon and I read most of the update notice for the 300D. Man, I would love to see Canon pour some time and effort into updating what we have like Nikon did.

I'm not doing a Nikon vs Canon thing at all, just wondering if Canon has ever introduced new functionality in a firmware update.


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Oct 28, 2008 22:14 |  #2

What? No answers or did you not read past the word "Nikon" in the first line?

I thought it was an interesting question: Does Canon ever do more than simply fix the largest problems with updates? The D300 update did a ton of things - I was impressed.

I really don't want to say anything that will just draw fire or attacks, but I did find the comparison between the 1.0.8 40D update and the 1.10 D300 update to bring questions to my mind. Not to yours?


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Oct 28, 2008 23:06 |  #3

Just out of curiosity, what did nikon update in the firmware? What really impressed you?


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Oct 29, 2008 00:26 |  #4

Canon did add the ability to use the joystick on the Mark III to select the auto focus point with a firmware update.

I wish they would add the ability to increase the minimum shutter speed (C.Fn I-12) from 1/60 to at least 1/500, this would greatly increase the usability of the auto-ISO function.


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Oct 29, 2008 01:17 |  #5

NorCalAl wrote in post #6581235 (external link)
What? No answers or did you not read past the word "Nikon" in the first line?

I thought it was an interesting question: Does Canon ever do more than simply fix the largest problems with updates? The D300 update did a ton of things - I was impressed.

I really don't want to say anything that will just draw fire or attacks, but I did find the comparison between the 1.0.8 40D update and the 1.10 D300 update to bring questions to my mind. Not to yours?

my canon 40D can record 1080p videos and become full frame after I upgraded the firmware to 2.89, sweet.:lol:


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Oct 29, 2008 01:37 |  #6

http://forums.dpreview​.com …orum=1019&threa​d=29834242 (external link)

this will only turn into fruitless discussions.



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Oct 29, 2008 01:56 |  #7
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NorCalAl wrote in post #6580328 (external link)
I'm not doing a Nikon vs Canon thing at all, just wondering if Canon has ever introduced new functionality in a firmware update.

are you SURE? :lol::lol:


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Oct 29, 2008 05:41 |  #8

Sadly this only PROVES that Canon pre-released the ill-fated 1DMKIII well ahead of its time frame to try and beat the Nikon D3 muscle.

Canon's after fixes, including the recall was a move that cost them more dearly than if they had held the 1DMKIII ~~ but then again they took so long to, they'd have probably lost as much market share, but they'd have kept more face.

Canon are known to use firmware to lock out feature on a price per model basis. As you may know, a few firmware hacks have been broken in the past.

Nikon however, are on record as stating categorically and backed up by guru, Tom Hogan that the D100 was physically impossible to be updated by the consumer.

Nikon also said it was impossible to add more ram [Buffer] to the D1x, that's despite two stripped models showing a buffer port already in place and when it was too late, Nikon offered to add in extra memory [which Canon were already offing in their purchase price] and in a last ditch effort Nikon still could not sell their D1x with the extra buffer ~ bye, bye Nikon for five years.

Canon 1D series is now in the SAME sort of position and have made many of the same mistakes, miss-judgements and are losing market share in this class, though not as drastically as it effected Nikon.

Nikon have five year plans for their cameras, many slightly ageing camera get offered more features via firmware ~ this is a planned move by Nikon and outlined above, does not always work.

Canon, don't generally add feature via firmware, they have no history of it and have been known to launch cameras so advanced that five years later the competition is only releasing similar models.

So the basic philosophies from both are different.

Canon tend to offer everything per price, model has a short shelf live before NEW model arrives.

Nikon tend to plan a five year shelf life with sweeteners via firmware scheduled in advance to instil life into ageing products.

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Canon did add the ability to use the joystick on the Mark III to select the auto focus point with a firmware update.

I wish they would add the ability to increase the minimum shutter speed (C.Fn I-12) from 1/60 to at least 1/500, this would greatly increase the usability of the auto-ISO function.




  
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Oct 29, 2008 06:03 |  #9

NorCalAl wrote in post #6580328 (external link)
I'm not doing a Nikon vs Canon thing at all, just wondering if Canon has ever introduced new functionality in a firmware update.

No.


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Oct 29, 2008 06:59 |  #10

shingo43 wrote in post #6582072 (external link)
my canon 40D can record 1080p videos and become full frame after I upgraded the firmware to 2.89, sweet.:lol:

Could you explain how the sensor on a 40D (which I understand to have the same crop factor as my 400D) CAN "become full frame" by a mere firmware update? I must be missing something if that is true.


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Oct 29, 2008 07:37 |  #11

Ukuleleman wrote in post #6582863 (external link)
Could you explain how the sensor on a 40D (which I understand to have the same crop factor as my 400D) CAN "become full frame" by a mere firmware update? I must be missing something if that is true.

I believe it's a clever ruse sir. :lol:


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Oct 29, 2008 08:47 |  #12

NAisBEST wrote in post #6582992 (external link)
I believe it's a clever ruse sir. :lol:


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Oct 29, 2008 08:58 |  #13

NorCalAl wrote in post #6581235 (external link)
What? No answers or did you not read past the word "Nikon" in the first line?

I thought it was an interesting question: Does Canon ever do more than simply fix the largest problems with updates? The D300 update did a ton of things - I was impressed.

I really don't want to say anything that will just draw fire or attacks, but I did find the comparison between the 1.0.8 40D update and the 1.10 D300 update to bring questions to my mind. Not to yours?

Somebody got impatient, didn't he! Three hours, late at night in Europe and Eastern North America and you expect a flood of answers?

The latest 1D2, 1Ds2, 30D and 5D firmwares added support for in-camera formatting of cards larger than 8 GB, cards which didn't exist when the cameras were released. When the WFT-E1 was released, they offered a firmware update to allow the 20D to use it. The only camera that ever had a firmware which turned off features was the 300D/Digital Rebel which, in the interests of economy, used the same firmware as the 10D. The hardware wasn't able to support some of the features, it was assumed the target audience wouldn't be interested in others and in the interests of keeping costs down on a new venture it was cheaper to modify an existing firmware than to develop a whole new one, so they just disabled some of the 10D functionality.


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Oct 29, 2008 09:26 as a reply to  @ Jon's post |  #14

So, will there be a firmware update to active the hidden HD video mode on the 50D?

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Oct 29, 2008 09:32 |  #15

NorCalAl wrote in post #6580328 (external link)
just wondering if Canon has ever introduced new functionality in a firmware update.

Only rarely.

The 20D had an update to add functionality/compatib​ility with the wireless transmitter and the joystick AF point selection on the 1DMkIII are the only ones that jump to mind.

Support for larger CF cards in some cameras might qualify, depending on how far you want to stretch the "new functionality" definition.




  
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