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Zander ­ Albertson
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Nov 09, 2008 12:12 |  #1

Well, I have just started to take on more freelance PJ work, and I am needing to pick up some more/better gear. Right now I have what is in my signature... I think I am set as far as bodies go.

I am thinking about picking up either the 16-35L or 24-70L, but I am really leaning more towards the 16-35 with my 50 1.8 filling in the gap. I have been wanting to go wider than my 28-105 offers, so that's why I am not really leaning towards the 24-70. I am also looking at a 1.4x TC to stick on my 70-200 when I need more reach for field sports, and also either a 430EX or 580EX. I'm not sure if I need the extra power offered in the 580, so perhaps I can get some input about that. Anything else I am missing?

I mainly shoot high school sports and spot news, with an occasional feature story thrown in.

Thanks for the help.
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Nov 09, 2008 12:15 |  #2

Have you ever needed anything wider than 28mm? If you don't, then the 16mm might be a waste...

In which case, I would sell the 28-105 and replace it with the faster & better 24-70. You've got the 70-200 for the range, use the 24-70 for regular use.

I use the 580 EX (both I and II) and I often need 1/4 to 1/2 power for doing feature/news stuff. As a 'just in case,' I would go with the 580.




  
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Nov 09, 2008 12:17 |  #3

I have been wanting to go wider than 28mm a lot... hence my consideration of the 16-35. I even rented a 24-70 for a week to see if the extra 4mm made enough of a difference, and I still wanted to go wider.


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Nov 09, 2008 13:18 |  #4

Then, I think you've made the choice already. Go with the 16-35!

You should consider the 17-40mm f/4L too. If you don't need the extra stop, save yourself $400!




  
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Nov 09, 2008 20:06 |  #5

Anyone else?


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Nov 09, 2008 20:33 |  #6

I'd suggest the 24-70 for a good up close zoom. A 24mm 1.4, or 35mm 1.4 are great primes and fast for indoors and wide to get the shot. I'm no PJ but I'd think this is a good starting point. The 24-70 is great, but I feel an updated version is around the corner.


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Nov 09, 2008 20:52 |  #7

I personally would go with 3 primes, a 20mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.4, and 85mm f/1.8. This kit covers the entire range of what you "should" need. A Canon or Sigma 10-22mm or 10-20mm could be purchased if you're looking for an ultra-wide angle.

Most importantly, this kit has significantly faster apertures. This is huge for me.

Yet, changing lenses as a PJ can be annoying or even wasteful (if you miss the action/news).
So, again, I recommend the 16-35mm f/2.8 and 24-70mm f/2.8 combo. The apertures are slower BUT, you only have 1 or 2 lenses to change between.




  
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Nov 09, 2008 20:54 |  #8

Primes are a pain in the ass for PJ work.

Give me a 16-35 or 24-70 and a 70-200 and I'm good for just about anything that isn't a field sport. PJ ain't art so if it's too dark for f/2.8, I'll blast it with flash.


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Nov 09, 2008 21:04 |  #9

cdifoto wrote in post #6655844 (external link)
Primes are a pain in the ass for PJ work.

Give me a 16-35 or 24-70 and a 70-200 and I'm good for just about anything that isn't a field sport. PJ ain't art so if it's too dark for f/2.8, I'll blast it with flash.

QFT. Exactly my point, minus the word "blast" which I would change to bounce & gel :lol:




  
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Nov 09, 2008 21:06 |  #10

i have a 16-35 and the 24-70. After i got my 16-35 the 24-70 never left my bag. so when i'm on assignment i will either have the 16-35 or my 70-200. sport i will use my 300 from time to time


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Nov 09, 2008 22:22 |  #11

I though every PJ had a 24-70.



  
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Nov 10, 2008 01:01 as a reply to  @ jr_senator's post |  #12

I am a freelance PJ. One of the more widely used kits for PJ is a 16-35 and a 70-200, for crop bodies such as the ones you have it is almost the standard kit. Since you said you want to go wider, go with the 16-35 either new or old version. If you're serious about getting a lens that will last and you wont have buyer's remorse, get a 2.8 version. If you were using a mark III you could go with the 17-40 due to being able to shoot at ISO 3200 and 6400, but with your bodies stick with the 2.8 lenses. I have a mark III and I sitll wouldn't want the f/4 version anyway.

Also, don't go with primes, its too impractical out in the field. Foot zooming doesn't work when your back is up against a wall. I only use mine (a 50 and 85) when I specifically know what to expect on a particular assignment and these lenses will help my photos. Since you already have a 50, you can grab it when you think the light might suck and when using a flash is going to be a problem.

I carry a 1.4TC with me on every assignment in case I need some extra reach for my 70-200. It has saved me quite a few times, and my back by not having to carry my 300 f/2.8.

As for the flash, I would get a 580 due to being able to put it in manual mode. (Assuming the 430ex you mentioned can't do this) In addtion, please get an off camera shoe cord. You won't use this all the time, but it is helpful to get rid of that 'blasted' flash look and red eye. (this takes practice though as you will be holding your camera with only 1 hand and the flash is the other)

If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me. My portfolio can be seen at www.erictom.net (external link), so you can get an idea if you think I know what I'm talking about or not.




  
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Nov 10, 2008 01:28 as a reply to  @ jr_senator's post |  #13

I'm planning on replacing my 24mm with the 16-35, since I find foot-zooming isn't always the solution (and the 24 isn't that wide on the 40D either). Both the 16-35 and 24-70 are staples among photojournalists, so either lens would be a good choice. If I were to choose between the two, I would go with the 16-35. Those 1D bodies are crop bodies, so the wider angle of view on the 16-35 would be more versatile.


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Nov 10, 2008 09:39 |  #14

Good info here. I see the point on Zoom's vs Primes. Would you not want technically good photo's for magazines, or is that something completely different?


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Nov 10, 2008 09:40 |  #15

Technically good can be had with zooms.


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