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Nov 19, 2008 11:18 |  #1

The questions I faced awhile back - sell dedicated Macro lens (100mm) to fund Holy Trinity? Would I be able to maintain my enjoyment of casual Macro photography with extension tubes? What effect would these tubes have on the lenses I have and plan to purchase?

This website has been helpful to me, so I'd like to return the favor. I have a friend considering buying Extension Tubes, so hopefully this will benefit him as well as others.

ALL of these shots were taken with ambient light, wide-open on each of the lenses I currently own, with a 5D. CS2 processing was minimal and consistent on all shots. Slight smart-sharpening @ 50% was added to each re-sized jpeg file. Each shot manually focused at the minimum focusing distance, aiming for the center point.

35L

35mm @ 200 f/1.4, 1600iso - No tubes.

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35mm @ 200 f/1.4, 1600iso + one 12mm tube
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35mm @ 200 f/1.4, 1600iso + one 20mm tube
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35mm @ 200 f/1.4, 1600iso + both 12mm & 20mm tubes to = 32mm. The front element was resting on the subject.
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85L

85mm @ 200 f/1.2, 1600iso - No tubes.
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85mm @ 200 f/1.2, 1600iso + one 12mm tube.
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85mm @ 200 f/1.2, 1600iso + both 12mm & 20mm tubes to = 32mm
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85mm @ 200 f/1.2, 1600iso + both 12mm, 20mm, & 32mm tubes to = 68mm
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Nov 19, 2008 11:20 |  #2

135L

135mm @ 200 f/2.0, 1600iso - No tubes.

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135mm @ 200 f/2.0, 1600iso + one 12mm tube.
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135mm @ 200 f/2.0, 1600iso + both 12mm & 20mm tubes to = 32mm
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135mm @ 200 f/2.0, 1600iso + both 12mm, 20mm, & 32mm tubes to = 68mm
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17-40L

17mm @ 60 f/4.0, 1600iso - No tubes.
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17mm @ 30 f/4.0, 3200iso - one 12mm tube. Front element resting on subject.
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40mm @ 60 f/4.0, 1600iso - No tubes.
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40mm @ 60 f/4.0, 1600iso - one 12mm tube.
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Nov 19, 2008 11:21 as a reply to  @ ken2000ac's post |  #3

and finally, the 24-70L

24mm @ 80 f/2.8, 1600iso - No tubes.

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24mm @ 80 f/2.8, 1600iso + one 12mm tube.
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70mm @ 80 f/2.8, 1600iso - No tubes.
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70mm @ 80 f/2.8, 1600iso + one 12mm tube.
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70mm @ 80 f/2.8, 1600iso + both 12mm & 20mm tubes to = 32mm
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70mm @ 80 f/2.8, 1600iso + both 12mm, 20mm, & 32mm tubes to = 68mm
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I hope this thread has been of assistance to someone!

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Nov 19, 2008 11:39 |  #4

actually this is insanely interesting and needs to be saved. thanks!


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Nov 19, 2008 11:44 |  #5

Here is one from other side of the spectrum (canon 500mm f4 with all 3 extenion tubes), almost full-frame,

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Nov 19, 2008 11:49 |  #6

In case someone is interested:
This is a table of Canon Lenses
http://www.usa.canon.c​om/app/pdf/lens/EFLens​Chart.pdf (external link)

You can find the magnification factor for each lens in the table.
For example if we have a 50mm lens with 0,19x magnification then
0,13 = X /50
X = 6,5mm
If we add a 12mm tube
6,5mm + 12 mm = 18,5 mm
The new maginification is now:
Magnification = 18,5 / 50 = 0,37x

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Nov 19, 2008 12:46 |  #7

[QUOTE=bobbyz;6718311]​Here is one from other side of the spectrum (canon 500mm f4 with all 3 extenion tubes), almost full-frame,

How far from the bird were you?

Thanks


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Nov 19, 2008 12:48 |  #8

Thanks for the pics. I only have the 20mm tube and haven't used it on the 17-40 yet. I'll give it a shot.


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Nov 19, 2008 13:31 |  #9

4x4rock wrote in post #6718832 (external link)
Thanks for the pics. I only have the 20mm tube and haven't used it on the 17-40 yet. I'll give it a shot.

Don't be surprised to discover an inability to focus close enough, when using 20mm tube and the short FL settings of the lens...from 17 to about 20mm, for example.


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Nov 19, 2008 15:13 |  #10

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bobbyz wrote in post #6718311 (external link)
Here is one from other side of the spectrum (canon 500mm f4 with all 3 extenion tubes), almost full-frame,

How far from the bird were you?

Thanks

Pretty close, like 5-6 feet but I am not good at guessing distances.


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Nov 19, 2008 17:23 |  #11

luigis wrote in post #6718342 (external link)
In case someone is interested:
This is a table of Canon Lenses
http://www.usa.canon.c​om/app/pdf/lens/EFLens​Chart.pdf (external link)

You can find the magnification factor for each lens in the table.
For example if we have a 50mm lens with 0,19x magnification then
0,13 = X /50
X = 6,5mm
If we add a 12mm tube
6,5mm + 12 mm = 18,5 mm
The new maginification is now:
Magnification = 18,5 / 50 = 0,37x

Hope it helps
Luigi

I must be missing something here. Your table shows 50 mm magnification factor of 0.15 for both 50mm lenses. You speak of 0.19 but use 0.13 in your formula. I'm lost.


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Nov 19, 2008 17:53 |  #12

Very interesting. I've been thinking about getting a set of extension tubes for a while now, just haven't done it (spending that money elsewhere). Thank's for taking the time to put this together.


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Nov 19, 2008 18:13 |  #13

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I DREAD ME wrote in post #6718814 (external link)
Pretty close, like 5-6 feet but I am not good at guessing distances.

So by using the extension tubes you reduced the MFD by 66%?
Does that work for most lenses?

Sorry for my stupid question:confused:


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Nov 19, 2008 18:20 |  #14

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bobbyz wrote in post #6719891 (external link)
So by using the extension tubes you reduced the MFD by 66%?
Does that work for most lenses?

Sorry for my stupid question:confused:

At infinity focus, the reproduction ratio of the lens is in proportion to the extension tube length...e.g. 12mm tube on 36mm lens is 1:3 final size (on sensor) while 12mm tube on 120mm lens is 1:10 final size.

But 'How much closer than without extension tube' is dependent upon the internal focusing mechanism built into the lens itself, and this is very design dependent... the 'how much closer' would be very different for 50mm f/1.4 lens vs with the 50mm f/1.8 lens, for example.


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Nov 19, 2008 21:17 |  #15

Glad this is proving somewhat helpful. For the casual macro-photographer, extension tubes may prove to be the best choice. For me...

1.) I saved money to put towards other items that better suited my shooting style.
2.) I saved weight and opened an extra space in my bag.
3.) I added functionality to all of my lenses.

I found the following post helpful this summer while I was making my decision: https://photography-on-the.net …php?p=5708562&p​ostcount=7


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