Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS General Gear Talk Flash and Studio Lighting 
Thread started 24 Nov 2008 (Monday) 09:57
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

580EX Ii and Cactus triggers - strange happenings...

 
DannyG
Member
74 posts
Joined Nov 2006
     
Nov 24, 2008 09:57 |  #1

I bought a second 580EX II and started to experiment with master/slave settings on remote triggers but I'm experiencing problems. My next step is to upgrade the triggers but I've never had an issue with the Cactus remotes and (1) 580EX. Here is my set-up and then the issues.
• Both lites off camera, modes set to manual
• Light A set to master and connected to Cactus receiver with sync cord
• Light B set to slave
• Cactus transmitter on camera

Issues -
1. The master flash won't fire on the sync cord. If I turn the master/slave system off, it will fire on the sync cord. Does using the master/slave settings disable the sync cord or is it the cheap Cactus receiver?
2. If I connect the Cactus to the flash directly using the hot shoe, the flash will fire (and the master will trigger the slave) but the shutter sync speed goes way down to 1/60, sometimes a little higher, but very inconsistent. Strange that it will fire on the hot shoe but not with the sync cord.

Are these problems strictly caused by the cheap Cactus remotes or am I doing something wrong?


_______________
Dan
website (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
lexi73
Member
Avatar
184 posts
Joined Jun 2007
Location: Madison, WI
     
Nov 24, 2008 11:43 |  #2

I would also like to know these answers...
I have a 580 II and its triggering a 430 and i get the same issues. Also about 1 in every 4 shots the flashes actually fire...very annoying. I also get very slow sync speeds, 1/60-1/100 if I'm lucky but they are not consistent at all. I even have the sync speed problem if I'm only using one flash on the cactus connected via hotshoe.

BTW i am using 40D-v2 triggers-430ex and 580ex II

I'm planning on doing the antenna mod to my cactus triggers and hopefully this increases the reliability of the sync speed and at least the consistency that the flashes will actually fire every time.


Canon 5DmkII, Fujifilm x100s, 70-200L 2.8 IS II - 17-40L, 24-105L, 15 Fisheye, 50 1.4, Bunch of Speedlights and other stuff.
Website (external link) | Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Icediamond
Member
Avatar
130 posts
Joined Sep 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada
     
Nov 24, 2008 12:19 |  #3

I'm running into similar problems, I have the 430EX and 420EX, and i was actually just trying to trigger one flash off-camera, and i put it into "slave" with no sync cord whatsoever, so it's purely wireless, and the flash would fire on its own!.. without me taking any pictures.. and it doesn't always fire with the shot taken, strange happenings indeed.

I'm am using the XSi, Cactus V2 (V2s?) trigger, and 430EX. (unfortunately, my camera and flash does not have pc sync cord capabilities unless I buy the appropriate adapters)


Canon EOS 7D || Canon 450D Rebel XSi || EF 16-35mm f/2.8 L USM || EF 35mm f/1.4 L USM || EF 50mm f/1.4 USM || EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM || EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro USM || EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM || Speedlite 420EX & 430EX and ST-E2

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Lotto
Goldmember
Avatar
2,750 posts
Likes: 192
Joined Mar 2005
Location: Southern California
     
Nov 24, 2008 13:21 |  #4

The sync port is disabled in master mode for the 580II.

When using the 580 as master in manual mode, the sync speed is limited to 1/125, the eBay trigger adds 1/3 stop of delay to the combo. So 1/100 is what I use, and if the max sync speed drops below that, usually means the receiver needs new batteries.


5D, 24-105L, 70-200L IS, 85mm Art, Godox

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Titus213
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
19,403 posts
Gallery: 4 photos
Likes: 36
Joined Feb 2005
Location: Kalama, WA USA
     
Nov 24, 2008 17:17 |  #5

If you are using radio triggers on the flash units the flash units should all be set to plain old manual mode. Not slave, not master, manual.

The Master/Slave designation on Canon flash units has to do with the ETTL wireless system, not radio transmitters, flash position, or what function the flash is performing.

My caveat to this is the 580EX II which has some strange operation involving the PC port that Canon finally put on one of their EX flash units. Even that they seem to have complicated.


Dave
Perspiring photographer.
Visit NorwoodPhotos.comexternal link

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
tim
Light Bringer
Avatar
51,010 posts
Likes: 375
Joined Nov 2004
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
     
Nov 24, 2008 21:08 |  #6

I agree with Dave, use radio triggers or wireless ETTL, not both. While it might work it'll be problematic. Just put a radio slave on each flash, I do this all the time with my skyports (external link) and speedlites (in manual) and they work great. One advantage of manual flash is consistency.


Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
Read all my FAQs (wedding, printing, lighting, books, etc)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DannyG
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
74 posts
Joined Nov 2006
     
Nov 26, 2008 07:24 |  #7

Thanks all for the explanation. Tim, what is you top sync speed when your using the skyports and manual mode?


_______________
Dan
website (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
tim
Light Bringer
Avatar
51,010 posts
Likes: 375
Joined Nov 2004
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
     
Nov 26, 2008 14:46 |  #8

I can usually get 1/250th with the 40D. Generally I only expect to get 1/125th with radio triggers, anything better is good luck.


Professional wedding photographer, solution architect and general technical guy with multiple Amazon Web Services certifications.
Read all my FAQs (wedding, printing, lighting, books, etc)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
4Bucks
Senior Member
Avatar
660 posts
Likes: 4
Joined Nov 2008
Location: The Dry Side of WA
     
Dec 08, 2008 19:20 |  #9

Okay... here's my problem. One, I am out of money so I bought the Cactus V2. I got it today and, following instructions, hooked it up. I have the Rebel XSi and used the hot shoe set up. The receiver is synched and confirmed via the test button. The flash activates when the camera trigger is pushed. So, all seem to work as it should except...
when the receiver is left attached to the flash and the flash left on, the flash will recycle (recharge) and then self activate and the flash goes off. It will continue to, repeatedly, do this (recycle/flash) as long as the two are conected and the flash is left on.
Anyone have this problem... more important, anyone have a solution?
Thanks,
Rob


4Bucks does not = photo for $... Four Buckleys in the family
A must read for all new to photography: Ben's Newbie Guide https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=414088
My stuff: 7D, some lenses, and OCFs
Facebook (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Titus213
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
19,403 posts
Gallery: 4 photos
Likes: 36
Joined Feb 2005
Location: Kalama, WA USA
     
Dec 08, 2008 19:28 |  #10

4Bucks wrote in post #6839984 (external link)
Okay... here's my problem. One, I am out of money so I bought the Cactus V2. I got it today and, following instructions, hooked it up. I have the Rebel XSi and used the hot shoe set up. The receiver is synched and confirmed via the test button. The flash activates when the camera trigger is pushed. So, all seem to work as it should except...
when the receiver is left attached to the flash and the flash left on, the flash will recycle (recharge) and then self activate and the flash goes off. It will continue to, repeatedly, do this (recycle/flash) as long as the two are conected and the flash is left on.
Anyone have this problem... more important, anyone have a solution?
Thanks,
Rob

One of the thorny problems found with the Cactus triggers. Try a different channel and then try a longer PC cord connecting the flash to the receiver.

This has, unfortunately, been reported many times on the forum.


Dave
Perspiring photographer.
Visit NorwoodPhotos.comexternal link

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,992 views & 0 likes for this thread, 7 members have posted to it.
580EX Ii and Cactus triggers - strange happenings...
FORUMS General Gear Talk Flash and Studio Lighting 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is AlainPre
1444 guests, 154 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.