canon vs casio

Been thinking of having a point and shoot to complement my slr (considering body+lens weigh 10x more than any p&s, hard to lug around an slr everywhere). kind of torn between sticking with canon (SD1100IS or 870IS) or going with the casio ex-s10.

pros with canon:
slr is canon, i trust the company to make good stuff
great lens based IS
generally good battery life

pros with casio
0.6 fricking inches thin, that's a 30% cut from the sd1100 and half the size of an 870IS
better video. sorry to say it, but niether canon has 848x480 video in avc, only 640x480 video in mjpg
iso1600, though grainy, actually looks good. keeps noise in exchange for no watermarking.

what do you guys think?

Three years of selling the things tells me one thing.

Casio have rarely if ever, made anything other than total shyte.

If you're buying a compact, it wants to be either a Canon or a Panasonic. The end.

basroil wrote in post #6766754
Been thinking of having a point and shoot to complement my slr (considering body+lens weigh 10x more than any p&s, hard to lug around an slr everywhere). kind of torn between sticking with canon (SD1100IS or 870IS) or going with the casio ex-s10.

pros with canon:
slr is canon, i trust the company to make good stuff
great lens based IS
generally good battery life
camera lasts

pros with casio
0.6 fricking inches thin, that's a 30% cut from the sd1100 and half the size of an 870IS
better video. sorry to say it, but niether canon has 848x480 video in avc, only 640x480 video in mjpg
iso1600, though grainy, actually looks good. keeps noise in exchange for no watermarking.
I get a new camera every 6 months since the old one dies!!! awesome!!!


what do you guys think?

Yeah, Casio sucks more than a w**** on Hollywood Blvd. I truly wonder how they remain in the camera business.

manipula wrote in post #6767168
Three years of selling the things tells me one thing.

Casio have rarely if ever, made anything other than total shyte.

If you're buying a compact, it wants to be either a Canon or a Panasonic. The end.

Care to further explain rather than believe the random ramblings of a disgruntled employee?

I need exact facts on this camera itself rather than long complaints about irrelevant older cameras. I am well aware that people disliked casio cameras before the ex z9, but since then all i hear is about ISO noise (going to be reducing size to maybe 1600 max anyway, so the granier form is actually appealing to me rather than watermarked look of some other cameras).

Things to keep in mind if you want to make suggestions:
--keep it under 1" thick, any larger and i will ignore it. i want to carry this when i'm too lazy to take one of my slrs.
--if i want awsome quality, i'll take my 1dmkiii. i'm looking for acceptable quality, not perfection in a point and shoot.
-- needs the option of iso1600, i like flash balancing even with a point and shoot
--needs flash exposure adjustments, again, same reason as above
--needs no more than 35mm on short side, f2.8 or faster
--large screen, i don't care for viewfinders i can't use
--must accept sdhc
--must be under $230, under $250 before rebates
--must have video, pluses for larger than 640x480 and anything other than mjpg compression
--must have some sort of "manual" control. at least exposure comp, ISO selection, flash selection
--macro is pointless for me

basroil wrote in post #6770442
Care to further explain rather than believe the random ramblings of a disgruntled employee?

Disgruntle consumer would make more sense. A person that sells and sees consistent returns should be all you need but go ahead, don't listen, get one, and then get a new one when it breaks no long after.

Gosh, I don't get why people ask questions and then don't care and defend for a choice they apparently already decided on.

_aravena wrote in post #6770484
Disgruntle consumer would make more sense. A person that sells and sees consistent returns should be all you need but go ahead, don't listen, get one, and then get a new one when it breaks no long after.

Gosh, I don't get why people ask questions and then don't care and defend for a choice they apparently already decided on.

I don't care about defending either, i care about actual information. I could care less if you say it sucks or it's amazing (any camera out there), but give me information as to why. I could also say that the sd450 sucks so much, and you can't refute or accept it under my terms alone until i tell you why it sucks. What if the reason i don't like the camera is because it can't take pictures of volleyball and the video is so small and the battery now lasts only a few dozen shots? You could then say:"well, point and shoot cameras aren't meant for sports, the video is regular tv resolution, but can also be made to quarter resolution if needed, and it's time to get a new battery, lithium ion batteries last less than a hundred cycles". I've seen plenty of returns for all reasons except the right ones. People are brand happy, sometimes they expect too much from something or fall into "the grass is greener on the other side" type mentality. If you tell me the reasons why people return the items then maybe there's something to consider. Be it canon, casio, pentax, panasonic, nikon, sony, olympus, or freaking hp, if someone returns a product, there's a reason behind it. I care about the reason for it, not how many of them there are, much less from a single store.

Hopefully you can now get over yourself and start providing information rather than mindless baseless comments

Note: I'm not trying to bash you specifically, rather just pointing out that i will not listen to suggestions or comments that don't explain themselves thoroughly.

basroil wrote in post #6770442
Care to further explain rather than believe the random ramblings of a disgruntled employee?

You know you try and help, and you get answered by a plank...

_aravena wrote in post #6770484
Disgruntle consumer would make more sense. A person that sells and sees consistent returns should be all you need but go ahead, don't listen, get one, and then get a new one when it breaks no long after.

Gosh, I don't get why people ask questions and then don't care and defend for a choice they apparently already decided on.

Fairly close.

I have amongst my freelance photography work, spent a lot of the last three years working on and off selling cameras for a living. From cheap ass compacts through to very high end pro sales, and during this time developed an enviable reputation for impartial and honest advice. Advice to the extent that customers can and have flown across Europe for.

So I tell you this, Mr Smug assed OP. Casio haven't made a decent camera in their entire commercial existence. They've made some high-specced, high performing, and exceptionally good value, cute looking cameras, but they're all numbers, no substance. I've seen many, many underperforming Casios. Ones that drop off from optimal performance quickly as though they've caught the plague. I've seen more faulty Casios of almost every model number you care to mention.

They're not worth the box they're packed in.

In the current climate, and current ranges, you ought to be buying a Canon or a Panasonic. Panasonic for specs and ease of use, Canon for slightly less ease of use but better low light IQ.

But you know, feel free to ignore the free, valued advice I offer. It's impartial, honest and accurate. Go out and buy your Casio, and when it cocks up or you realise your mate who bought a Lumix made a better choice, either come back and apologise or go cry into you milk.

I very rarely act like a cocky ****, but in this case, I know what I'm on about.

* waits for a normal person who has experience answering the questions asked - no palins need apply*


I know how passionately you feel about it, but tell me why. Why is canon better than panasonic at low light? Why is casio all spec and no bite? Why does nikon want to get rid of buttons with a steve jobs like zeal?

Do you actually want me to sit and list all the reason's why?

It'll be about three pages long if I do it properly. Seriously.

manipula wrote in post #6774534
Do you actually want me to sit and list all the reason's why?

It'll be about three pages long if I do it properly. Seriously.

yes, i actually do, as well as similar complaints about canon sd, panasonic, and the fujifilm F series as well.

manipula wrote in post #6767168
Casio have rarely if ever, made anything other than total shyte.

Along with Sharp, Casio is a main player in the consumer calculator market. They make excellent calculators.

I don't the conversation is about calculators...

basroil - you asked what people think. manipula and _aravena told you - neither of them have a high opinion of Casio camera quality. Since one of the pluses you named for Canon was that you trust the company to make good stuff, why are you so reluctant to take the opinions of people who've seen the cameras going both ways across the shop counter.
It's like Sony laptops. They have all sorts of fine-sounding features in their computers that get all the executives wanting them, to the despair of the IT support people who have to keep the crap working. Whereas the workhorse brands like Tokina or Dell can essentially match them, real feature for feature and keep on going long after the Sony's become an unmaintainable mess, or been stripped down and had a generic OS installation, negating most of the "features" that have left it crashing all too regularly.

manipula wrote in post #6776234
I don't [think?] the conversation is about calculators...

True, but you said anything. Casio are certainly not anywhere near outstanding with their digital cameras division, but they are quite excellent at some other particular areas they choose to specialise in, such as consumer calculators.

Collin85 wrote in post #6776284
True, but you said anything. Casio are certainly not anywhere near outstanding with their digital cameras division, but they are quite excellent at some other particular areas they choose to specialise in, such as consumer calculators.

true, but i like my ti89 too much


i guess small cameras section here is much like slrs in dpreview...