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Dec 05, 2008 20:48 |  #1

Someone please help. The video I am seeing from my 5D MKII looks nothing like any video I see online.

Two things happen with mine...

First, almost everything I shoot contains what I would call either aliasing or stair stepping whenever any object containing straight lines against a contrasting background is evident. It is not even subtle, it totally ruins the clip! If I search for items which do not contain hard edged lines, I can avoid it to an extent, but in the real world I would say that almost everything I have shot contains something or another with objects that will indeed produce the problem. A lot of the online samples admittedly do not, but even ones that do, do not seem to show what I see in mine.

Second, it seems that most all video tonality-wise is rather heavy looking (shadow areas tend to look a bit darkish, lacking in detail, almost a little muddy). I can play with the profiles and make this look better, but they never quite seem to look as good as something shot with say an XHA1. Color doesn't seem all that great either.

Still images look wonderful. Among the best I have ever seen in a DSLR. So this makes me think the sensor is fine and that perhaps there is something I am just missing when it comes to video. I keep looking for some clue in the manual (maybe something that indicates I don't even have the camera set up correctly for video) but no dice.

Any clues as to what I may be doing wrong? I cannot believe what I see online from this camera when compared with what I see coming out of mine. I am almost ready to return the camera but feel that perhaps I am just not doing something right.

Anyone please help?


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Nikon D700, 14-24, 24-70, 17-35 f2.8, 85 f1.4, 105 f2, 180 f2.8, 300 f4.5MF
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Dec 05, 2008 20:58 |  #2
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sample of the clip?


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Dec 05, 2008 21:01 |  #3

californiajay wrote in post #6822006 (external link)
but they never quite seem to look as good as something shot with say an XHA1

XHA1? This thing?
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …1_3CCD_HDV_Camc​order.html (external link)

I hope you didn't buy the 5dm2 to replace the XHA1. :o

Not helpful, I know, but like Bubbles said... samples?


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Dec 05, 2008 21:08 |  #4

It sounds like the camera is recording interlaced for TV but you are viewing it on your computer. For computers it should be de-interlaced or recorded in progressive mode, if this is offered.


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Dec 05, 2008 21:09 |  #5

I'm shocked that a dSLR isn;t also a super fabulous video camera. Shocked!


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Dec 05, 2008 21:18 |  #6

aIpha wrote in post #6822068 (external link)
XHA1? This thing?
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …1_3CCD_HDV_Camc​order.html (external link)

I hope you didn't buy the 5dm2 to replace the XHA1. :o

Uhh no, but what I see from it, it doesn't even match an HF100.

Seriously (and I have no means of posting samples) something just isn't right.

The best description is that when I shoot objects with lines, such as telephone pole wires or a chrome trim on a car they tend to take on jaggies, and when there is any movement (camera or themselves) they pulsate like in moire effects. I can see some of this happening on occasion, but I can barely do a shot of anything without experiencing it. Just today, I had the camera outside, and did a quick clip of my backyard which has a metal fence at its edge. The video clip was trashed due to this effect. It's like the edges of the metal will pulsate as I move the camera. If I turn the focus way down in the profile, it minimizes this effect, but unfortunately also throws the video so far out of focus it looks horrible.


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Nikon D700, 14-24, 24-70, 17-35 f2.8, 85 f1.4, 105 f2, 180 f2.8, 300 f4.5MF
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Dec 05, 2008 21:23 as a reply to  @ californiajay's post |  #7

I have viewed on computer monitors, I have viewed with the camera HDMI wired directly to a 46 inch 1080p Sony, and I have imported into Cyberlink Power Director, rendered and burned to blu-ray disk. No method makes any difference whatsoever. All display the problem.

To the other comment about a DSLR not looking as good as a video camera...well ok but try posting that comment to one of the guys in a place such as dpreview and see how flamed you get. To them, I have no idea what I am talking about (went there with my problem first but gave up on them). Thing is, if you look for samples online from this camera, you DO see some pretty good lookin stuff. Why can't I get it, and only get stuff that looks like it was shot with a prototype.


5D MKII, 16-35L, 24-105L, 70-200 f4L, 35 f1.4L, 50 f1.4, 85 f1.2L, 100 macro, 135 f2L, 200 f2.8L, 300 f4L, 300 f2.8L, 65 macro
Nikon D700, 14-24, 24-70, 17-35 f2.8, 85 f1.4, 105 f2, 180 f2.8, 300 f4.5MF
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Dec 05, 2008 21:27 |  #8

Are you watching this video on a computer monitor or a TV?

How are you watching them? Direct from the camera? After d'loading it to a computer?

It sounds like you're watching progressive scan video on an interlaced device. Similar to watching say, ESPN-HD without being on the HD input of a TV...


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Dec 05, 2008 21:28 |  #9

californiajay wrote in post #6822152 (external link)
To the other comment about a DSLR not looking as good as a video camera...well ok but try posting that question to one of the guys in a place such as dpreview and see how flamed you get. To them, I have no idea what I am talking about (went there with my problem first but gave up on them). Thing is, if you look for samples online from this camera, you DO see some pretty good lookin stuff. Why can't I get it, and only get stuff that looks like it was shot with a prototype.

Supposedly, if you can work around the massive limitations then the 5D2 is an OK video camera. You simply need to mount it on a tripod, select lighting to force the aperture to what you need and then shoot in scenes that make sense in 30 second increments before sensor heat destroys IQ. It sounds like an ideal video camera to me.


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Dec 05, 2008 21:30 |  #10

OK again, I have been trying several methods of viewing and none make any difference...

What I USUALLY do to quickly test is to create a clip, then plug the HDMI cable directly into the camera and into my 1080p Sony HDMI input. I ASSUME this is fine.

I also have gone to the trouble of importing clips into Cyberlink Power Director and actually burned blu-ray dis, then put that disk into my Panasonic blu-ray player and watched on the same Sony tv. Same results.


5D MKII, 16-35L, 24-105L, 70-200 f4L, 35 f1.4L, 50 f1.4, 85 f1.2L, 100 macro, 135 f2L, 200 f2.8L, 300 f4L, 300 f2.8L, 65 macro
Nikon D700, 14-24, 24-70, 17-35 f2.8, 85 f1.4, 105 f2, 180 f2.8, 300 f4.5MF
Leica M8, 28 f2, 35 f2, 75 f2

  
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Dec 05, 2008 21:31 |  #11

JeffreyG wrote in post #6822171 (external link)
Supposedly, if you can work around the massive limitations then the 5D2 is an OK video camera. You simply need to mount it on a tripod, select lighting to force the aperture to what you need and then shoot in scenes that make sense in 30 second increments before sensor heat destroys IQ. It sounds like an ideal video camera to me.

C'mon now...

Let's try to be a little bit helpful, ok?

We all know that not everyone is in love with the idea of a dSLR that can shoot video too but for those who do want it, I think we can try to help them get the most out of it, don't you?

Besides which, it's the Holiday Season and Santa is watching... ;)


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Dec 05, 2008 21:31 |  #12

Jeffrey, your sarcasm is overwhelming ;)


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Nikon D700, 14-24, 24-70, 17-35 f2.8, 85 f1.4, 105 f2, 180 f2.8, 300 f4.5MF
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californiajay wrote in post #6822183 (external link)
OK again, I have been trying several methods of viewing and none make any difference...

What I USUALLY do to quickly test is to create a clip, then plug the HDMI cable directly into the camera and into my 1080p Sony HDMI input. I ASSUME this is fine.

I also have gone to the trouble of importing clips into Cyberlink Power Director and actually burned blu-ray dis, then put that disk into my Panasonic blu-ray player and watched on the same Sony tv. Same results.

Your sure your TV can play progressive scan video?

I'm assuming it can since you have a BRay Player...


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Dec 05, 2008 21:33 |  #14

Listen I have been skeptical myself, however when you do look at samples online you can see the potential. Some of the video does really look incredible. Just want to know what I am doing wrong!


5D MKII, 16-35L, 24-105L, 70-200 f4L, 35 f1.4L, 50 f1.4, 85 f1.2L, 100 macro, 135 f2L, 200 f2.8L, 300 f4L, 300 f2.8L, 65 macro
Nikon D700, 14-24, 24-70, 17-35 f2.8, 85 f1.4, 105 f2, 180 f2.8, 300 f4.5MF
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Dec 05, 2008 21:34 |  #15

Yes my Sony is 1080p. It's a KDL-46XBR2.

BTW if it WASN'T progressive wouldn't it just black out when I input a progressive signal? 5D Video certainly does play.

Anyway, it's my understanding that the 5D MKII outputs in 1080i anyway, no?


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Nikon D700, 14-24, 24-70, 17-35 f2.8, 85 f1.4, 105 f2, 180 f2.8, 300 f4.5MF
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