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Dec 11, 2008 01:44 |  #1

I have a 70-200 F4L and a 50 F1.8. Will these be any use for indoor ice hockey on a 40D.

I think the 70-200 will be too slow, even at 1600iso and the 50 may be too short.


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Dec 11, 2008 03:14 |  #2
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I use the 200 2.8L for photographing iceskating indoors. Depending on the light 2.8 is fast enough. Though at times it's a little too long of a crop body (40D).

If I were you, I'd consider a 135mm f/2L or 70-200 2.8L (with IS preferred) Some would recommend a 85mm on a crop body. It really depends on your style. I like to "get close".

Example 200mm 2.8L on a 40D:

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Dec 11, 2008 04:51 |  #3

Thanks - I'm shooting this Saturday, so I'll see how it goes with what I have. If you find 2.8 is ok, I may be okay at F4. What ISO were you using?

I was thinking along the 85/100 lines for the extra 2 stops, but that'll be money permitting and if I stick with it.


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Dec 11, 2008 05:29 |  #4

For a non-pro rink around here you will typically need ISO6400 or so to shoot f/4 at 1/400 - 1/500.


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Dec 11, 2008 07:01 |  #5

That will be a problem on a 40D. And yes, it's a non-pro rink.

1600iso is the max usable. Sure it extends to 3200, but that's pretty unusable.


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Dec 11, 2008 07:44 as a reply to  @ martinsmith's post |  #6

With a typical non-pro or college rink, 2.8 @ 1600 is generally the minimum. Even with that, you'll be lucky to see shutter speeds beyond the 1/250 1/320 range.


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Dec 11, 2008 08:07 |  #7

I suppose the 50 1.8 is going to be too short?


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Dec 11, 2008 08:09 as a reply to  @ martinsmith's post |  #8

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Dec 11, 2008 08:39 |  #9

martinsmith wrote in post #6855875 (external link)
I have a 70-200 F4L and a 50 F1.8. Will these be any use for indoor ice hockey on a 40D.

I think the 70-200 will be too slow, even at 1600iso and the 50 may be too short.

It all depends on the lighting, and where you stand (obviously).

To give you an idea of exposures, last night I was shooting at 1600 ISO, 1/500 s, f/2.5 - and it was a bit underexposed. With this sort of lighting, you might be able to make do with f/4 at 3200 ISO. Of course you could also lower the shutter speed, but much lower than 1/500 and you are risking motion blur.

For some of the better non-pro rinks, I can use the same settings, except at 800 ISO.

If you can position yourself right at the glass behind the net or to the side of the net, 50 mm is not too short. You'll be able to see the goalie and the player taking the shot. Much longer and you can't include all of the action. Of course then you are dealing with shooting through the glass, which is always scuffed up.

My advice is to take what you have and use the 70-200 at various locations, even though you'll be compromising on the exposure. Take lots of pictures. When you get home, look at the various focal lengths you used. Then agonize over whether you can put up with an 85, 100, or 135 mm prime, or if you need the 70-200/2.8.


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Dec 11, 2008 09:08 as a reply to  @ JHutter's post |  #10

You can run 1/250 and freeze the image... don't be fooled guys.... with good lighting you can freze the images are slower shutter speeds....

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1/400th

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1/350 @ f/3.5
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1/250 f/4.0
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Dec 11, 2008 10:44 |  #11

I often shoot my kids' hockey with a 70-200 f/4. ISO 3200 on a 40D is fine if you use a noise filter in PP:

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Dec 11, 2008 11:28 |  #12

dtufino wrote in post #6857202 (external link)
You can run 1/250 and freeze the image... don't be fooled guys.... with good lighting you can freze the images are slower shutter speeds....

I'll be shooting some Ice Skating tomorrow evening with my 200MM in the dark, i'll test it out and post my results.

Nice images. But you may find, depending on the age, ice hockey is a bit faster than mounting biking... Your 1/250 example was coming at you. Same shutter speed, but with a crossing target, would have likely have some blur. Hockey can be done at slower shutters, it just depends on what your expectations are. 1/250 used for a high school age game will be hard to freeze.

Some examples.

200MM 1/400 f/2.8 ISO800 A well lit college rink.

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Same rink / game. 170MM 1/500 f/2.8 ISO1000
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Another in excellent light.

300MM 1/400 f/4 ISO1600
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Now the reality for most of us in local rinks...

135mm 1/320 f/2.8 ISO1600. underexposed a bit to get a decent shutter.
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85mm 1/320 f/2 ISO800
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90mm 1/250 f/2.8 ISO1600
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Dec 11, 2008 11:43 |  #13

I personally am a fan of a little bit of blur on the ball/arm/stick/leg to show that it is fluid, but the face has to be sharp for sure....


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Dec 11, 2008 12:00 |  #14

Lacks_focus wrote in post #6858001 (external link)
Nice images. But you may find, depending on the age, ice hockey is a bit faster than mounting biking...

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Dec 11, 2008 13:12 |  #15

Great info guys - Thanks

To those that shoot at 3200iso, what noise removal software do you use. I have CS3 and selectively remove noise, but that may be a problem if I have hundreds of raw files.

And what about the in-camera noise reduction?


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