Hasselblad ..... which one?

NZDoug wrote in post #7073241
Slow down,
studio should have tilt and shift?
What the didley!!!!

I will read about that later, for now i have to start to use my new beast, i even didn't take one shot from it yet.

NZDoug wrote in post #7073241
Slow down,
studio should have tilt and shift?
What the didley!!!!

Studio work with a tilt shift is absolutely gorgeous, if you know what your doing. No, not so you can line up everything correctly, but use the lens blur to an advantage. Some amazing high fashion work has come out from that method.

Congrats on the h3d purchase Tareq, you'll like it. There's quite a learning curve that comes with that camera, and you'll notice it is MUCH more demanding - though I'm sure with your obvious will to learn, you'll get it in no time!

I haven't read any of this post, so sorry if you have mentioned this - What lenses did you decide on, if any.

cskn0125 wrote in post #7073330
Studio work with a tilt shift is absolutely gorgeous, if you know what your doing. No, not so you can line up everything correctly, but use the lens blur to an advantage. Some amazing high fashion work has come out from that method.

Congrats on the h3d purchase Tareq, you'll like it. There's quite a learning curve that comes with that camera, and you'll notice it is MUCH more demanding - though I'm sure with your obvious will to learn, you'll get it in no time!

I haven't read any of this post, so sorry if you have mentioned this - What lenses did you decide on, if any.

OK, thank you very much.
The rules will not be different than DSLR anyway, just i am reading about the function keys and controls so i know my camera well, then i will not spend long time to learn on it over my Canon gear, still it is with shutter speed and f-stop and ISO.
Now i got the camera with the kit lens HC 80/2.8, but i can't buy new lens soon in the future, so i will keep using this lens and i will keep reading about different lenses and see which i should get next in the future.

Tareq wrote in post #7072351
But at what settings? which lens of Canon i should i use? i have only Hasy 80/2.8 now so what lens is equivalent for Canon to do that test? in fact i didn't use hasselbalad yet [just got it on Monday 2 days ago and i was busy and tired those 2 days to test, but today i will do].

Tareq,
Ideally you would neutralize the variables as much as possible. The point is not a direct comparison, but effectively, "if you shot with A, how much better would the result be than shooting with B?"

So the best comparison would be a 'normal' lens on both camera. Or you could use any 'similar' lens, as defined as a multiple of the frame height...1x height = 15mm APS-C, 24mm FF, 55mm Hassy. Using the Hassy 80mm lens which is 1.45 * frame height, we get 22mm APS-C and 35mm on FF.

Then, assuming the same max aperture is not available, I would choose the aperture which all lenses have in common, but not a max aperture, maybe 1 or 2 EV smaller...that would then compare the lenses one or two f/stops from max, where each lens is near its peak performance.

On tripod, of course. With same ISO, of course.

Wilt wrote in post #7075184
Tareq,
Ideally you would neutralize the variables as much as possible. The point is not a direct comparison, but effectively, "if you shot with A, how much better would the result be than shooting with B?"

So the best comparison would be a 'normal' lens on both camera. Or you could use any 'similar' lens, as defined as a multiple of the frame height...1x height = 15mm APS-C, 24mm FF, 55mm Hassy. Using the Hassy 80mm lens which is 1.45 * frame height, we get 22mm APS-C and 35mm on FF.

Then, assuming the same max aperture is not available, I would choose the aperture which all lenses have in common, but not a max aperture, maybe 1 or 2 EV smaller...that would then compare the lenses one or two f/stops from max, where each lens is near its peak performance.

On tripod, of course. With same ISO, of course.

OK OK, TBH, forget all that, i just got it already and it will not change anything, i am just happy and still i have Canon there to use when i need, sports and outdoors will be with Canon all the time, and making those side by side tests will not make others to buy H3D and sell Canon, also this will not make anyone just to keep Canon and doesn't care much about H3D, it is me, i like Hasselblad and i like to print something large, even those Canon can print large but all agree that it can't beat Hasselblad large prints [ISO50-ISO400].

Wilt wrote in post #7075184
So the best comparison would be a 'normal' lens on both camera. Or you could use any 'similar' lens, as defined as a multiple of the frame height...1x height = 15mm APS-C, 24mm FF, 55mm Hassy. Using the Hassy 80mm lens which is 1.45 * frame height, we get 22mm APS-C and 35mm on FF.

Ehm, not sure I'm following the logic?

The 80mm is slightly longer then standard on the H3. (not 6x6, but max. 48x36 mm)
35mm on FF is quite a bit wider then standard...

Tareq wrote in post #7075254
OK OK, TBH, forget all that, i just got it already and it will not change anything, i am just happy and still i have Canon there to use when i need, sports and outdoors will be with Canon all the time, and making those side by side tests will not make others to buy H3D and sell Canon, also this will not make anyone just to keep Canon and doesn't care much about H3D, it is me, i like Hasselblad and i like to print something large, even those Canon can print large but all agree that it can't beat Hasselblad large prints [ISO50-ISO400].

Wait, I KNOW you bought the camera. I am trying to ask you to do us all a favor with a comparison test, since you own one! Just to know what the difference is, not to try to convince any change of camera ownership in the POTN membership.

René Damkot wrote in post #7075338
Ehm, not sure I'm following the logic?

The 80mm is slightly longer then standard on the H3. (not 6x6, but max. 48x36 mm)
35mm on FF is quite a bit wider then standard...

..which is why I also stated the criteria of FL as a multiple of the short dimension of the frame! It completely eliminates the variable of the aspect ratio. It is a criteria used by Sinar for decades, to equate lenses of different FL to different format equivalente...the 'crop factor' before that horrible concept was invented.

If the 80mm lens is used on a 36mm digital medium format frame, it is equivalent to 53mm on a FF 24x36 sensor/film...2.22 * frame height

Ah, 53mm. That makes more sense the 35mm

Let's see 100% crops!

René Damkot wrote in post #7077013
Ah, 53mm. That makes more sense the 35mm

"Using the Hassy 80mm lens which is 1.45 * frame height, we get 22mm APS-C and 35mm on FF."
Of course, in that statement I had assumed 55mm for the frame height of the Hassy -- forgetting that on digital medium format, the frame (at 36mm) is not even as large as the old 645 format (43mm)!

Congratulations on your purchase. Might big one at that.

Wilt wrote in post #7076849
Wait, I KNOW you bought the camera. I am trying to ask you to do us all a favor with a comparison test, since you own one! Just to know what the difference is, not to try to convince any change of camera ownership in the POTN membership.

OK, i will try to do a fair comparison test as i can if i can do it correct way.

Vascilli wrote in post #7077484
Let's see 100% crops!

All 3 above shots are 100% crops, or you want something else?

grego wrote in post #7080573
Congratulations on your purchase. Might big one at that.

Thank you very much

non crop