Hasselblad ..... which one?

Tareq wrote in post #7777175
I want to upgrade to 50mp, by this way i can get 60mp upgraded from 50mp, no way to upgrade from 39mp to 60mp unless i sell 39mp and buy 60mp which will be much much more expensive for me than upgrading from 50mp.

Why can't you just upgrade from the 39mp to the 50mp, then to the 60mp later?

I'm also curious why you don't post on a hassleblad forum instead of continueing to instigate these forums and their members as it doesn't seem like a very healthy conversation.

Tareq, how large do you plan to print with 60MP?

Tareq wrote in post #7777175
.....I want to upgrade to 50mp, by this way i can get 60mp upgraded from 50mp,......

"I'm also curious why you don't post on a hassleblad forum instead of continueing to instigate these forums and their members as it doesn't seem like a very healthy conversation."

This site is like a television...ya don't like the content...don't watch.

There's a great deal in the states right now for digital medium format. Mamiya have a package kit with their 645AFIII body + Leaf digital back + 80 2.8 lens, AND you get a free second lens, either 55 2.8 or 150 3.5. Starts at $15K, but that's "only" the DL28.

http://www.mamiya.com/​mamiya-dl28dl33.html

chauncey wrote in post #7777733
"I'm also curious why you don't post on a hassleblad forum instead of continueing to instigate these forums and their members as it doesn't seem like a very healthy conversation."

This site is like a television...ya don't like the content...don't watch.

Exactly, but what is television? (no I know what it is but I have never in my life understood why someone would watch it and I am now 50 plus [and I just love to tell people that]).

Tareq get whatever camera floats your boat man. I don't think a 40 to 50 MP jump will give you anything you will notice (resolution wise but there migfht be some other advancements in the system to consider) but if it will make future upgrades possible then that is something to consider, at least. If I were looking at medium format I would want something that gave me view camera capability and so consider which system will do that for you if you think that you will ever want to have that possibility.

In the meantime enjoy the Hasselblad you have. There is more to digital images than resolution. One thing that Hasselblad does have is a complete system behind it. There are other things as well I am sure.

sapearl wrote in post #7777513
Tareq, how large do you plan to print with 60MP?

i'm curious too. tareq always seems to be chasing something new and shiny.

There are other issues with Blads like dynamic range, optics and then the intangibles like just they way they feel to shoot with. There are things that are more appropriate to shoot with a smaller format just like there are things that are more appropriate to shoot with a blad. Shooting with a blad is a different experience and trying to explain what shooting with a blad is like is like trying to describe the taste of an apple to someone that has never tasted an apple.

Medium format is not for everyone and is not for every type of photography. Knowing how to use different formats and having the experience and knowledge of when each is appropriate will make you a very well rounded photographer.

I like that comparison Chauncey - how many channels/forums you figure we have here? Although I seem to have misplaced my remote....

Print quality is my concern, i shooted many shots by 80mm but in many cases i crop some shots and i want to print up to billboard sizes or more, but i have some plan in the future that i will shoot horses [for beauty] and Sheikhs [rules or heads and VIP] and print those shots at minimum 3-4m and with crops i will lose some data or resolution even that 39 up to 50mp can be more than enough, but i want always to have the highest quality if i will print very large formats for VIP people, i may look to start shooting for some projects in my area and many buildings here want to post some large prints on the sides of the buildings or on boards, so imagine how many pixels i need, if you all tell me that those 20-39mp are more than enough then why some pros maybe choose 50 or 60mp to use? what purpose of those brands [Hasselblad, Phase one, ....] to build 50s and 60s mp cameras? give me reasons.

well, that answers my curiousity then Tareq - thanks.

I honestly don't know if a person could actually perceive any difference at viewing distance of a 39MP vs 50 or 60MP when looking at a billboard sized images. That is simply beyond my area of experience. And again a key aspect will be how they upsample the print, and the distance from which they will be viewed.

I really don't know how many pixels you ultimately need, but as alt pointed out you are always chasing banners that you likely can't catch . As for why HB and Phase One continue to manufacture those high MP backs..... I suppose it's because they can, because they know that some people like you, others in your area as well as other high markets will always want to buy them. It would be really interesting to see though how many of these devices they are actually selling.

Tareq, no disrespect intended but you may want to consider in your future posts:

1) Not running all the sentences together (to make it easier to read),
2) Breaking your sentences up into shorter lengths for easier reading, and
3) Using paragraph breaks - again to make your posts easier to read, and respond to.

Tareq wrote in post #7780205
Print quality is my concern, i shooted many shots by 80mm but in many cases i crop some shots and i want to print up to billboard sizes or more, but i have some plan in the future that i will shoot horses [for beauty] and Sheikhs [rules or heads and VIP] and print those shots at minimum 3-4m and with crops i will lose some data or resolution even that 39 up to 50mp can be more than enough,......

so imagine how many pixels i need, if you all tell me that those 20-39mp are more than enough then why some pros maybe choose 50 or 60mp to use? what purpose of those brands [Hasselblad, Phase one, ....] to build 50s and 60s mp cameras? give me reasons.

sapearl wrote in post #7780479
well, that answers my curiousity then Tareq - thanks.

I honestly don't know if a person could actually perceive any difference at viewing distance of a 39MP vs 50 or 60MP when looking at a billboard sized images. That is simply beyond my area of experience. And again a key aspect will be how they upsample the print, and the distance from which they will be viewed.

I really don't know how many pixels you ultimately need, but as xxxx pointed out you are always chasing banners that you likely can't catch . As for why HB and Phase One continue to manufacture those high MP backs..... I suppose it's because they can, because they know that some people like you, others in your area as well as other high markets will always want to buy them. It would be really interesting to see though how many of these devices they are actually selling.

Tareq, no disrespect intended but you may want to consider in your future posts:

1) Not running all the sentences together (to make it easier to read),
2) Breaking your sentences up into shorter lengths for easier reading, and
3) Using paragraph breaks - again to make your posts easier to read, and respond to.

I couldn't understand those points really, is it related to the language rules? if so then forgive me, i am not good enough in English to write perfect correct sentences always, if something else please more explanations.

about the prints sizes or distances, i agree, 39mp was the higher best digital camera in the past and did a great job and still it is even with 50 and 60mp available now, and maybe about 10% or less of shooters owning 50 or 60mp anyway.
About selling those high quality or high end gear of MF, i don't think it is due to some can afford it or rich, if you all saying that 39mp are enough and i am sure many pros there thinking same ways of you and saying that 39mp are enough then i don't see any good reason to produce 50 and 60 and 100 maybe, today we are saying 60mp is really ultimate mp, then in the future 100mp is something can be done with 35mm or even P&S and MF will go beyond 200mp+ maybe, then what will the thinking of people that time, and will be the reasons for 100-300mp if now we are saying that 20 and 30mp are more than enough, is it only the race to have the highest of resolutions from those brands or the highest demands from shooters to get the highest mp? to me i am more than happy with 8 and 10 and 20, but i will never say enough for 40 or 50 or 80 as well.

"1) Not running all the sentences together (to make it easier to read),

2) Breaking your sentences up into shorter lengths for easier reading, and

3) Using paragraph breaks - again to make your posts easier to read, and respond to."

Tareq, what part of that don't you understand?

chauncey wrote in post #7780623
"1) Not running all the sentences together (to make it easier to read),

2) Breaking your sentences up into shorter lengths for easier reading, and

3) Using paragraph breaks - again to make your posts easier to read, and respond to."

Tareq, what part of that don't you understand?

What part of- English is his second language- don't you understand? How's your Arabic.
Sapearl was offering some polite advice.

Tareq - actually your English is really pretty good, seriously, and I mean that as a compliment.

All I'm suggesting is that you break your really really long sentences into shorter ones, and that you add some paragraph breaks for easier viewing. It is not a rules thing. It is only a suggestion to make it easier for people to read and respond to your comments.

I believe people tend to respond more to posts that are easier to read, and more visually appealing. If I see a large jumbled mass of text, I tend to ignore it. (I do make an exception in your case though Tareq. You often present a different viewpoint thats' quite new to me, and come from an unfamiliar part of the world. It's challenging to make my way through your posts, but I do see a different way of thinking that I'd normally never encounter). But I am more inclined to read those things that are better formatted and well presented. - Stu