Hasselblad ..... which one?

sapearl wrote in post #6898727
Tareq, how large do you want to make your prints?

Other than that I see a couple of really big problems here. And I come to this conclusion after reading your recent posts. It makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE at all what gear you end up getting. You will never be satisfied with what you get. That has become painfully obvious. There will always be "something better out there...."

In your country apparently it's all about who has the biggest camera or the longest lens. It seems to be a gear competition as opposed to a skill competition.

Also, most of us cannot relate to your economics. As Wilt so aptly states, we are worlds apart. It makes no difference how much $$$ you throw at gear, and that's ok; it's just that many of us outside of the UAE are stuggling with what we have just to stay afloat. An most of us turn out some damn good images with far less expensive gear.

But I say go ahead and spend the money - you won't be happy or unhappy, just locked into the never ending chase to impress other photographers and get the latest gear. When you get older and perhaps face more responsibility, maybe you will see truly unimportant many of these things really are.

Understood and got the point, thanks!

sapearl wrote in post #6898727
Tareq, how large do you want to make your prints?

Other than that I see a couple of really big problems here. And I come to this conclusion after reading your recent posts. It makes absolutely NO DIFFERENCE at all what gear you end up getting. You will never be satisfied with what you get. That has become painfully obvious. There will always be "something better out there...."

In your country apparently it's all about who has the biggest camera or the longest lens. It seems to be a gear competition as opposed to a skill competition.

Also, most of us cannot relate to your economics. As Wilt so aptly states, we are worlds apart. It makes no difference how much $$$ you throw at gear, and that's ok; it's just that many of us outside of the UAE are stuggling with what we have just to stay afloat. An most of us turn out some damn good images with far less expensive gear.

But I say go ahead and spend the money - you won't be happy or unhappy, just locked into the never ending chase to impress other photographers and get the latest gear. When you get older and perhaps face more responsibility, maybe you will see truly unimportant many of these things really are.

Say 1 meter minimum up to 3 or 4, here my room office there is a space in wall with dimension about 2.5m x 3.70m, so i am really thinking to do many prints in size width of 1-2m.

Just go get your self a 500c and both a digital and film back for it. You will have the best of both worlds, and you can upgrade the data back as things progress keeping your happy little camera body for the entire ride. I wouldn't go with the new stuff as it is changing ever so fast.. This week, 50 mpx, next year 100. Just upgrade the data backs and your good to go. But like mentions, make sure you have a good computer attached to it.

Tareq, other than a few experts here - and I'm not one of them - your Hassy questions would likely be better served in the HB forum where there's a more extensive knowledge base. Most of us here just don't have the experience with that type of really high end gear.

Croasdail wrote in post #6898796
Just go get your self a 500c and both a digital and film back for it. You will have the best of both worlds, and you can upgrade the data back as things progress keeping your happy little camera body for the entire ride. I wouldn't go with the new stuff as it is changing ever so fast.. This week, 50 mpx, next year 100. Just upgrade the data backs and your good to go. But like mentions, make sure you have a good computer attached to it.

How much is that 500c hassy? with the film and digital backs for it?

sapearl wrote in post #6898871
Tareq, other than a few experts here - and I'm not one of them - your Hassy questions would likely be better served in the HB forum where there's a more extensive knowledge base. Most of us here just don't have the experience with that type of really high end gear.

Yes, i found that,..... LATE.
Anyway, thanks for the help and i appreciate that

Supposing I had all the money in the world, I still wouldn't get a Hasselblad digital MF body. Why?

a) They are slow as hell. As permie mentioned, 1.2 seconds between shots = a MASSIVE pain in the ass to shoot with. I can't wait 1.2 seconds for my strobes to refresh in the studio, let alone for my camera to get ready!

b) The new H3D 'blads don't take third party backs. Tsk tsk.

c) Digital medium format just ISN'T ready yet. You'll buy the blad, and then in a few years time, digital MF will either die out or really mature, and you'll be left with an obsolete, super expensive, product, or an obsolute, immature product, while everyone else will have cheaper, better bodies.

Digital MF just isn't the same as film MF. It's still in its infancy, and I frankly think it's a stupid investment. They aren't even as sexy as ferraris, they're just cumbersome. Want to shoot MF? Shoot film.

I know part of the reason why the blad is appealing is because of the bling factor, and the 'oh look I have the best thing out there' appeal, but for what it's worth, the blads, in my eye, are nowhere near the best thing out there.

The thing is, not only is it a bad investment, as others have been saying.....the bodies aren't even that cool. I look at the H3D series and all I see are deficiencies, I don't see a great camera...like Doc pablo said, the hassies are known for their glass, not their MF digital bodies. The H3D series ain't no Leica M series.

Where I live, many would still consider your 2003 auto quite current, and a 2006 downright new. You have good economic times there Tareq - enjoy them while they last.

Tareq wrote in post #6897082
.... still i have a car since 2003 and many many of my friends who hs same car sold it and replace it with 2005 then 2006 and now 2008.......

Tareq,
I have the H2 with the P45+ Phase One back. Has it made me a better photographer? No. Do I have fun with it? Absolutely... I have taken it with me around the world, but I still fall back on my Canons, ease of use being the main reason. The H2 is a great camera, the Phase One backs give you more megapixels than we really ever need... but if you can afford it - go for it - life is short... enjoy the kick it gives you.... but do it because YOU want it - not to prove anything to anyone else. They won't like you more just because you have a bigger camera... and if they do... they shouldn't be the peopleyou want to hang around with. What WILL get you respect and attention, is donating the cameras you don't use - to kids who want to learn about photography, but cannot afford to... and yes you do have them in the UAE
Best of luck to you... MF is a wonderful format to work in... you see the world a different way than through 35mm
And don't be so touchy about the UAE

Tareq wrote in post #6896584
hmmmmmmmmmm, ok, i am very sorry to start this thread,i was asking simple question but it led us to go further more.
To be honest, i hate my current job [civil engineer] very much, and i try to find another job but seems it is difficult in my country for some reasons, and after i enter photography world i loved it and after 3 years [Still new and refresh] i feel i should have a career in what i really love and interested in, so that i will never stop to pay and spend all what i have for what i love.

If you people really care and worry that i shouldn't waste and spend that much and get more then i don't know what to say, i wish most of you come and live same my situations and then will see how they can get into photography? by the way, i am not the only person, i know some friends who are members of our photography club doing the same, and their works are good enough an they don't need more, but what you all here don't know is that we are in UAE as original citizen of UAE [and some other closer nationalities] have very bad habit which is we like always to show that we have the best, so if someone buy 1 camera i buy 2, if i buy $5000 lens the other but $50k lens and so.

Anyway, i just was so happy to buy any medium format, and my heart was going to H3D, but seems i shouldn't talk about what i buy at all even if i will buy a palace and a plane.

Now i hope a mod close this thread as i don't want many recommendation about another cameras or to stop planning to get one, i asked if i should get 31 or 39 or even to go for 50mp directly, but even this question is not supposed to be here, all will give their own thinking whether it is wisely or something else, and i already wasted too much money on gear that many think that i don't use it at all if need it so it will be the same if i buy a MF that costs 3x of one top DSLR body, i appreciate all the replies here, now i should ask or wait for the answer, i will follow what is there and even i am not looking to post anything about H3D if i will get one because this is mostly Canon forum [even any posts of different brand can be posted here] so i should post in Hasselblad forum, i signed in Nikon Forum as many here but i never post one shot there, so please let's stop now and shouldn't talk what is photography will do for me or what i can do to photography, you all know it is just a fun and a hobby for me and shouldn't advise me to stop now as it is late.

Well, in that case, if you have the money go straight to the 50mp, you will eventually.....
It's not what I would do with the money, but if you want it, do it!

perryge wrote in post #6898968
Supposing I had all the money in the world, I still wouldn't get a Hasselblad digital MF body. Why?

a) They are slow as hell. As permie mentioned, 1.2 seconds between shots = a MASSIVE pain in the ass to shoot with. I can't wait 1.2 seconds for my strobes to refresh in the studio, let alone for my camera to get ready!

b) The new H3D 'blads don't take third party backs. Tsk tsk.

c) Digital medium format just ISN'T ready yet. You'll buy the blad, and then in a few years time, digital MF will either die out or really mature, and you'll be left with an obsolete, super expensive, product, or an obsolute, immature product, while everyone else will have cheaper, better bodies.

Digital MF just isn't the same as film MF. It's still in its infancy, and I frankly think it's a stupid investment. They aren't even as sexy as ferraris, they're just cumbersome. Want to shoot MF? Shoot film.

I know part of the reason why the blad is appealing is because of the bling factor, and the 'oh look I have the best thing out there' appeal, but for what it's worth, the blads, in my eye, are nowhere near the best thing out there.

The thing is, not only is it a bad investment, as others have been saying.....the bodies aren't even that cool. I look at the H3D series and all I see are deficiencies, I don't see a great camera...like Doc pablo said, the hassies are known for their glass, not their MF digital bodies. The H3D series ain't no Leica M series.

Yes Yes, when you will be pro and working with different MFs then you will accept hat 1 or 2seconds, if you did and didn't like it then others are different, i never shoot in studio with my 1DIII or 5D using 5 or 10fps.

Thanks!

sapearl wrote in post #6899943
Where I live, many would still consider your 2003 auto quite current, and a 2006 downright new. You have good economic times there Tareq - enjoy them while they last.

Yes ofcourse, i will keep my car because i don't see that new will give me more than the old one, specially if i don't drive and go out that much.

jothefish wrote in post #6900256
Tareq,
I have the H2 with the P45+ Phase One back. Has it made me a better photographer? No. Do I have fun with it? Absolutely... I have taken it with me around the world, but I still fall back on my Canons, ease of use being the main reason. The H2 is a great camera, the Phase One backs give you more megapixels than we really ever need... but if you can afford it - go for it - life is short... enjoy the kick it gives you.... but do it because YOU want it - not to prove anything to anyone else. They won't like you more just because you have a bigger camera... and if they do... they shouldn't be the peopleyou want to hang around with. What WILL get you respect and attention, is donating the cameras you don't use - to kids who want to learn about photography, but cannot afford to... and yes you do have them in the UAE
Best of luck to you... MF is a wonderful format to work in... you see the world a different way than through 35mm
And don't be so touchy about the UAE

TBH, i was looking into H2 with a digital back, i even ask him if he has H3D but without a digital back so i don't pay that much because of the DB, and later if i want to get real H3D then i buy a digital back like 39mp or 50mp to use it, seems he didn't find that or there is not, but i looked into the prices, it is almost the same if i got H2 then Phase one digital back as H3D, and i forgot to tell you that if for example i got H3D 39mp, the salesman told me if i ant to upgrade to H3D 50mp then simply i have to return 39mp and replace it with new H3D 50mp and i just pay the difference in the price, so if 50mp cost about $30k and 39mp is $20k, then i just pay $10k, it is almost same price if i replace my P45+ to P65+ or P25+ to P45+, or am i wrong?

pendulum15 wrote in post #6900326
Well, in that case, if you have the money go straight to the 50mp, you will eventually.....
It's not what I would do with the money, but if you want it, do it!

Don't worry, i don't have that much money believe me, if i have that much money then i will buy 2 Medium formats, one is film and one digital, but let's wait and see, still i am searching and i am talking with the salesman and i will see if i will end up with one or nothing, and i am not ignoring that Film MF anyway, so still i have tme.

I checked the prices of Phase P-series digital backs, the prices are much more than H3D itself, and we don't have any local store to buy Phase digital backs from, so in this case i have to get $20k or more to buy a digital back including of some $6-7 for Hassy body, WOW, no thanks, i prefer to get this H3D with better payment offer, if you can find any offer where i can buy Phase or film back with a hasselblad body with less than $12000 then i pay later monthly then i will go for it, you people still forgot about the offer that salesman giving to me i don't have full cash now to buy full Digital Medium format, and i told you about the film future in UAE, so i don't know what are you people really telling me, seems you telling me all that explanations and recommendations to make me to forget about any Medium formats completely, so no film future here in UAE and no MF digital recommendations from you, then what?

Tareq wrote in post #6901367
I checked the prices of Phase P-series digital backs, the prices are much more than H3D itself, and we don't have any local store to buy Phase digital backs from, so in this case i have to get $20k or more to buy a digital back including of some $6-7 for Hassy body, WOW, no thanks, i prefer to get this H3D with better payment offer, if you can find any offer where i can buy Phase or film back with a hasselblad body with less than $12000 then i pay later monthly then i will go for it, you people still forgot about the offer that salesman giving to me i don't have full cash now to buy full Digital Medium format, and i told you about the film future in UAE, so i don't know what are you people really telling me, seems you telling me all that explanations and recommendations to make me to forget about any Medium formats completely, so no film future here in UAE and no MF digital recommendations from you, then what?

Tareq, you are missing the point. If digital sensors continue to evolve for medium format (and it will!), then getting a BACK and not a full integrated body+back makes more sense, as you 'throw away' less when you adopt newer technology. But as I said, we are worlds apart in our attitudes in spending money on the absolute newest...the attitude toward new cars is an example of that...my BMW is now approaching 8 years, and I have no care about what the 2009 BMW driver sitting at the stop light next to me thinks of it!

Wilt wrote in post #6902125
Tareq, you are missing the point. If digital sensors continue to evolve for medium format (and it will!), then getting a BACK and not a full integrated body+back makes more sense, as you 'throw away' less when you adopt newer technology. But as I said, we are worlds apart in our attitudes in spending money on the absolute newest...the attitude toward new cars is an example of that...my BMW is now approaching 8 years, and I have no care about what the 2009 BMW driver sitting at the stop light next to me thinks of it!

So what is the point?

Tareq wrote in post #6902934
So what is the point?

What I said..."If digital sensors continue to evolve for medium format (and it will!), then getting a BACK and not a full integrated body+back makes more sense, as you 'throw away' less when you adopt newer technology. "