Hasselblad ..... which one?

Wilt wrote in post #6903208
What I said..."If digital sensors continue to evolve for medium format (and it will!), then getting a BACK and not a full integrated body+back makes more sense, as you 'throw away' less when you adopt newer technology. "

I agree with that, but Tareq will probably end up with the 'best' in the end (h3d)....
Just go for it mate!
It'll drive you mad if you don't

Wilt wrote in post #6903208
What I said..."If digital sensors continue to evolve for medium format (and it will!), then getting a BACK and not a full integrated body+back makes more sense, as you 'throw away' less when you adopt newer technology. "

What is that meaning? more explain please.

pendulum15 wrote in post #6903222
I agree with that, but Tareq will probably end up with the 'best' in the end (h3d)....
Just go for it mate!
It'll drive you mad if you don't

We will see

Tareq wrote in post #6903403
What is that meaning? more explain please.


We will see

Tareq,
My point was that an integrated digital body (digitial back and body are one piece, like typical dSLR), rather than a typical medium format body with replaceable and separate digital medium format back, involves less to be replaced as technology continues to evolve.
OTOH, you have already pointed out the fact that the integrated Hassy H3D is less expensive than purchase of a digital back alone. So that greatly neutralizes my argument about 'less that is thrown away' to get newer technology!

Wilt wrote in post #6903466
Tareq,
My point was that an integrated digital body (digitial back and body are one piece, like typical dSLR), rather than a typical medium format body with replaceable and separate digital medium format back, involves less to be replaced as technology continues to evolve.
OTOH, you have already pointed out the fact that the integrated Hassy H3D is less expensive than purchase of a digital back alone. So that greatly neutralizes my argument about 'less that is thrown away' to get newer technology!

Not sure if that is a problem with that full integrated system, as Hasselblad is also try to be with technology, but if that digital back alone is a better choice then i can't buy any medium format very soon now, i have to wait so long time until i can afford the full cash to buy a Medium format with different Digital back which is itself alone costs the most expensive. I don't know if Hasselblad with H3D system they will not updating with new technology then for sure that H3D system will dissapear after few years later.
Now back to the prices, i didn't ask for the best, because i feel even digital backs are almost the same and can't say one is the top best over the other, and in resolution topic, if 2 medium format systems or say ne integrated and one digital back on a different body with same mp resolution will not show that much difference in IQ, what will that P45+ will be much more differnce and advanced than H3D 39 [Both at 39mp]? I was thinking about the prices, as the salesman told me that they are connected with the Euro, so Hasselbald prices went down with that Euro as he said, he even told me that in the past that H3D was so much expensive as those digital backs like Leaf or Phase one, i talked with him and he has the point that digital back are really good enough nowadays, but to pay that much only on digital back is really so ridiculous, and he prefer to take full system than separated parts connected together even good high quality, and for prices he said it will be even less to take that full integrated, he told me that if i got H3D 31 then i can upgrade it to 50 without to pay full cash of 50mp, so it is like i upgarde the Resolution and the salesman will tak care of exchanging the body without i have to pay again full new price, i feel it is almost similar that i have fixed body and i just change the digital back, but the difference here will be that i will pay full cash for new digital back, and to me it will be much more losing and wasting money in this case, but do you look at it different way or are we wrong in this here?

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No offence Tareq

i had a ducati748, it was superb and did all i wanted it to do, it was also clumsy and slow at some stuff by comparison other models, but i wanted a Ducati748 and it made me grin like a looney every time that i opened the garage.

you are here on this planet but once, get it, if you want it and can afford it.
If it suck's at what you need if for,then sell it.
but give it a fair crack of the whip, do not be swayed buy the PERSONAL opinions of others here.
your photos are pretty darn good.

will this camera make you a better photog?
probably not.
will this camera give you the confidence to be a better photog?
not sure, i don't know you well enough but possibly.
will this camera make you grin like a looney every time that you open the case?
YES!

there are reasons that blokes do stuff
sometimes you have to go with that gut feeling and just do it, don't seek justification for your purchase, as you can see from some of the posts in this thread there are some jealous types, some canon fanboys who will never understand and some film buffs who may have a point.

Go out and be confident in your ability and say " i want that"

do you want it?

will it make you get a big cheesy grin?

do you think you will every regret the cost?

work out the 3 above questions and then post your hassy pics

have fun mate and don't stress over it too much

andrew748 wrote in post #6903715
unsubscribing with this little gem.

No offence Tareq

i had a ducati748, it was superb and did all i wanted it to do, it was also clumsy and slow at some stuff by comparison other models, but i wanted a Ducati748 and it made me grin like a looney every time that i opened the garage.

you are here on this planet but once, get it, if you want it and can afford it.
If it suck's at what you need if for,then sell it.
but give it a fair crack of the whip, do not be swayed buy the PERSONAL opinions of others here.
your photos are pretty darn good.

will this camera make you a better photog?
probably not.
will this camera give you the confidence to be a better photog?
not sure, i don't know you well enough but possibly.
will this camera make you grin like a looney every time that you open the case?
YES!

there are reasons that blokes do stuff
sometimes you have to go with that gut feeling and just do it, don't seek justification for your purchase, as you can see from some of the posts in this thread there are some jealous types, some canon fanboys who will never understand and some film buffs who may have a point.

Go out and be confident in your ability and say " i want that"

do you want it?

will it make you get a big cheesy grin?

do you think you will every regret the cost?

work out the 3 above questions and then post your hassy pics

have fun mate and don't stress over it too much

Just i want anyone here to show me where i did say i want that hassy or medium format "TO BE BETTER PHOTOGRAPHER", i just said for larger and so large printing thats all.

Tareq wrote in post #6903747
Just i want anyone here to show me where i did say i want that hassy or medium format "TO BE BETTER PHOTOGRAPHER", i just said for larger and so large printing thats all.

my error

sorry

andrew748 wrote in post #6903715
unsubscribing with this little gem.

No offence Tareq

i had a ducati748, it was superb and did all i wanted it to do, it was also clumsy and slow at some stuff by comparison other models, but i wanted a Ducati748 and it made me grin like a looney every time that i opened the garage.

you are here on this planet but once, get it, if you want it and can afford it.
If it suck's at what you need if for,then sell it.
but give it a fair crack of the whip, do not be swayed buy the PERSONAL opinions of others here.
your photos are pretty darn good.

will this camera make you a better photog?
probably not.
will this camera give you the confidence to be a better photog?
not sure, i don't know you well enough but possibly.
will this camera make you grin like a looney every time that you open the case?
YES!

there are reasons that blokes do stuff
sometimes you have to go with that gut feeling and just do it, don't seek justification for your purchase, as you can see from some of the posts in this thread there are some jealous types, some canon fanboys who will never understand and some film buffs who may have a point.

Go out and be confident in your ability and say " i want that"

do you want it?

will it make you get a big cheesy grin?

do you think you will every regret the cost?

work out the 3 above questions and then post your hassy pics

have fun mate and don't stress over it too much

Very well worded......

andrew748 wrote in post #6903754
my error

sorry

Its ok, no problem.

Tixeon wrote in post #6903782
Very well worded......

Answered him

andrew748 wrote in post #6903715
unsubscribing with this little gem.

No offence Tareq

i had a ducati748, it was superb and did all i wanted it to do, it was also clumsy and slow at some stuff by comparison other models, but i wanted a Ducati748 and it made me grin like a looney every time that i opened the garage.

you are here on this planet but once, get it, if you want it and can afford it.
If it suck's at what you need if for,then sell it.
but give it a fair crack of the whip, do not be swayed buy the PERSONAL opinions of others here.
your photos are pretty darn good.

will this camera make you a better photog?
probably not.
will this camera give you the confidence to be a better photog?
not sure, i don't know you well enough but possibly.
will this camera make you grin like a looney every time that you open the case?
YES!

there are reasons that blokes do stuff
sometimes you have to go with that gut feeling and just do it, don't seek justification for your purchase, as you can see from some of the posts in this thread there are some jealous types, some canon fanboys who will never understand and some film buffs who may have a point.

Go out and be confident in your ability and say " i want that"

do you want it?

will it make you get a big cheesy grin?

do you think you will every regret the cost?

work out the 3 above questions and then post your hassy pics

have fun mate and don't stress over it too much

What you say is true. It is simply making an informed decision rather than seeing only one side of the coin, that we are providing couterpoint perspective. We have almost all said, "If you can afford it, do it", after all!

"IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, GO FOR IT".

Is this statement means: " We don't care what you will get, do it" or "you don't listen or care about our points, fine, no way you can understand so don't waste your and our time, go for it"?

Tareq wrote in post #6898881
How much is that 500c hassy? with the film and digital backs for it?

The body would be cheap, relatively speaking... under a grand (USd). Databack would be at whatever price you can bear.... most are now running between 7 and 12 grand. Film back would be really cheap. lens, thats another story. For a really nice one expect to spend between 2 and 3 grand. I am not saying it would be totally cheaper than an older h3, but it would absolutely be more flexible.

Either way, they are great. You'll wonder what all the hype of a 1D was about afterwards.

Hope it works out for you.

Tareq wrote in post #6904033
this statement means:

I think it means that if you can afford it (not getting in trouble for it), why not get it? It's your money, and it'll probably make you happy

I've processed images of an Aptus P75 (Can be used on a Hasselblad 503). It's a nice set, but it's very different from a 1DsMk2. Better? Yes, at low ISO. Worth it? Depends on you.

I'd say: Rent one first, and see whether you like it (doesn't even need to be digital for that). Working with medium format is different from shooting with a Canon.

You obviously want the camera just buy it!

You obviously think that the H3DII is the best camera on the market for you so what decision is their to make? You say you want the best so it sounds to me like you go with the 50mp camera. I think you should go over to the store and buy it now. If I was in your shoes you can bet I would have a MF digital camera.


You could also check out the new Leica that is coming out it looks pretty pimp.

Croasdail wrote in post #6904161
The body would be cheap, relatively speaking... under a grand (USd). Databack would be at whatever price you can bear.... most are now running between 7 and 12 grand. Film back would be really cheap. lens, thats another story. For a really nice one expect to spend between 2 and 3 grand. I am not saying it would be totally cheaper than an older h3, but it would absolutely be more flexible.

Either way, they are great. You'll wonder what all the hype of a 1D was about afterwards.

Hope it works out for you.

OK, i have to look again at the prices, Thanks!

René Damkot wrote in post #6904174
I think it means that if you can afford it (not getting in trouble for it), why not get it? It's your money, and it'll probably make you happy

I've processed images of an Aptus P75 (Can be used on a Hasselblad 503). It's a nice set, but it's very different from a 1DsMk2. Better? Yes, at low ISO. Worth it? Depends on you.

I'd say: Rent one first, and see whether you like it (doesn't even need to be digital for that). Working with medium format is different from shooting with a Canon.

Thank you for your answer, in fact there is no rent here, don't know if i can rent but i asked him and he said he will rent maybe only for a company or agency, not personal and i can't use my government company as i know it will not work with him, so the only way is to own one, and i tested it twice at the store on him with Profoto lights [once with nice Beauty Dish] and really i felt i want to sell all my Canon gear [Impossible to do it], so i decided that i will go with H3D no doubt, i looked at many medium formats, there is no dealers for medium formats in UAE rather than 2, say 3, Hassellad [Only H3D], Sinar, and maybe Mamyia [not sure where], i will not buy it online but locally, and only those 3 above, i can't try to search more to find another dealers of another Medium formats but seems we don't sponsor many brands whatever cameras are, and i am talking about prices and offers in a local store, not online because definitely i can't buy online even cheapest H3D.

Bumgardnern wrote in post #6904193
You obviously want the camera just buy it!

You obviously think that the H3DII is the best camera on the market for you so what decision is their to make? You say you want the best so it sounds to me like you go with the 50mp camera. I think you should go over to the store and buy it now. If I was in your shoes you can bet I would have a MF digital camera.


You could also check out the new Leica that is coming out it looks pretty pimp.

I feel i read a post very similar above, where it is? seems sarcastic to me.

I will look at Leica, many many times i heard about it, sure it is excellent one but how Excellent to other choices in the market.