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Dec 17, 2008 07:17 |  #1

http://www.amateurphot​ographer.co.uk …or_swoop_news_2​73937.html (external link)


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Dec 17, 2008 07:21 |  #2

WTFBBQ!!

So she was like covering the wedding with the b&g permission and she was arrested and told she couldn't use the video!!
And held for 45mins!
For all the police could have known she could have been their wedding shooter, and if I was shooting a wedding and got arrested, not allowing me to do it there would be a lot of unhappy people!
Not good....


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Dec 17, 2008 07:29 |  #3

That is an unfortunate and thankfully rare event. It just happens to have made it into a magazine. Given the relatively small size of our country, it doesnt take much for a story like that to get around within the relatively small world of photographers.

I would imagine that there are similar occurences in the US but, due to the fact that you have 50 states compared to our 4 countries and probably 6 times as many people and a landmass that is huge by comparison, I would imagine that very few instances ever make it to national importance.

That does not make it bad to live over here. I actually quite enjoy it (despite the weather!:p)

I think the individual officers involved will get a hefty kick in the ass for this one


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Dec 17, 2008 07:39 |  #4

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That is an unfortunate and thankfully rare event. It just happens to have made it into a magazine. Given the relatively small size of our country, it doesnt take much for a story like that to get around within the relatively small world of photographers.

I would imagine that there are similar occurences in the US but, due to the fact that you have 50 states compared to our 4 countries and probably 6 times as many people and a landmass that is huge by comparison, I would imagine that very few instances ever make it to national importance.

That does not make it bad to live over here. I actually quite enjoy it (despite the weather!:p)

I think the individual officers involved will get a hefty kick in the ass for this one

The problem is, you keep hearing about problems over there between photogs & the apparently over zealous police (where is the common sense)....and the police seem to give the same answer...more training etc...
The part that really bothers me is the claim that she cant use the footage because its police copyright....wtf.. thats the first time I have ever heard that used before....
yes we have more people by a wide margin..but you guys probably have more police cameras in London alone then we have in half the cities here..;)

By the way i would love to come there and get some shots of the architecture and countryside...very beautiful...:D


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Dec 17, 2008 09:18 |  #5

FWIW - if you want to recce an area for nefarious means, you could just use google maps..
It's cheaper and you don't have to go out in the cold.


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Dec 17, 2008 09:27 as a reply to  @ digirebelva's post |  #6

This is not isolated to England though their instances of this sort of thing get alot of media play. Mind you the link you provided isn't what we would call normal main stream media that most people outside of photography would read. I tried to find more info about this instance and found this link (external link) and this one (external link). If one scours the media pages from around the world you will find this happening in virtually every corner of the world.

She was highlighted on a news magazine television show that I watched just a couple of days ago and it would appear that she attracts this type of attention quite regularly.


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Dec 17, 2008 09:27 |  #7

Hedley wrote in post #6895460 (external link)
FWIW - if you want to recce an area for nefarious means, you could just use google maps..
It's cheaper and you don't have to go out in the cold.

Gotta love google :D;)


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Dec 17, 2008 09:27 |  #8

Speaking last month, a spokesman for the NPIA told AP: 'There has been no change in the law. The Practice Advice reminds officers that they can only stop and search photographers in exceptional cases where they are involved in some kind of terrorist informational gathering activity.'

Either someone never gets the word, or some self important dufi just like to spoil someones day.

It's not just England. They're everywhere.


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Dec 17, 2008 11:31 |  #9

Just about every terrorist reconnaissance team in the world uses a Canon 1D Makk II. Don't forget most terrorist organizations are funded by oil money, so they can afford $6,000 cameras.

Hehe.

Those coppers are a little over zealous I would say. :)




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Dec 17, 2008 11:47 |  #10

England, Italy, USA, Slovenia.... it's same sh*t everywhere. Nowadays police has their own brains, or to be exact, lack of them, backed with all sorts of anti-terrorist laws. They got whole lot of authority, and they use it from time to time. My last incident was in Italy few months back, when few of us almost got arrested covering road cycling World Championships. Policeman decided we can't be on track even though we all had proper accreditations, photo bibs etc.. On beginning we weren't really happy, and after few minutes of, let's call it discussion, he was calling for help and waving around with handcuffs, trying to arrest about 10 of us. We were smart enough to move to different part of course rather to get arrested and spent rest of race in jail instead of shooting it.
But as I said... it's same everywhere... you have few brain dead, or as they call them, not trained enough, idiots with guns everywhere, no matter what country or continent it is. All we can do is to hope, we don't meet those few idiots. Huge majority those guys are fine, but there's always chance to have bad luck and meet wrong one.


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Dec 17, 2008 11:55 |  #11

The irony of anti-terrorism laws is they don't prevent terrorism; but rather terrorize the taxpayer for whom the government ought to protect.


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Dec 17, 2008 11:56 |  #12

nphsbuckeye wrote in post #6896350 (external link)
The irony of anti-terrorism laws is they don't prevent terrorism; but rather terrorize the taxpayer to whom the government ought to protect.

quoted for truth.


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Dec 17, 2008 11:57 |  #13

When things like this happen, the terrorists have won, because they changed our lives.

For the worse.


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Dec 17, 2008 18:36 |  #14

First of all, don't get the idea cause we're big, the small stories don't make it to the national headlines. Anything the media thinks they can make a buck on or sounds interesting makes it to the headlines. This is the world of the internet folks, it don't matter how big you are or how small the story is.

Second, the denominator principle comes into play. In other words, you take a small story or number of stories (like 15 people in the USA getting flesh eating disease) and you don't use the denominator (of 300 million who live here). The story's interesting so it gets tons of press. However, no measuring stick is used. Doesn't matter how many people die but now the public is scared of flesh-eating bacteria.

Third, add the blame game. No matter how small the number of incidents nor how much they are spread out, someone somewhere should have known. After all, the role of government is to know everything ahead of time and protect us from it, right?

Fourth, we have the 'more laws' dynamic. We have laws that prevent things (like felons can't own guns, for instance), but it doesn't work. So instead of enforcing that law, they make new laws that restrict EVERYONE now, instead of just those who would commit the crimes. On a gun forum I belong to, one guy has a signature that reads something like: The speed limit in town is 25mph. Some guy went through last night at 65mph! So in order to prevent that, the town dropped the speed limit to 15mph.

Then you add overzealous cops who (given all the above) are rightly terrified that if they did allow someone that shouldn't be somewhere to remain and something did happen - the scapegoat would be him. What's amazing is that it doesn't happen more often.

So what you end up with is 19 guys crashed four airplanes one time and now we can't take pictures of bridges.

What's really scary is some people see the logic in all this.


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Dec 17, 2008 18:40 |  #15

Why can't we just get voluntary licenses? You need em for guns, you need em to drive? WTH? Run a friggin background check on me and give me a fool proof ID. Trouble is, no one is going to stand up for us if we don't stand up for ourselves. They can't criticize if there is no real law, or structure that's been implemented to address this type of thing! So I think everyone is erring on the side of caution b/c they don't know what to do.


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