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Very nice

The first one is alright, the crop seems a little odd to me, she also seems a little tense. I really like the looks to the second one maybe cut a little off of the bottom. Everything else on them seems fine. Great shots!

First one, if this is a passport or driver's license image great job. If it is a portrait lets see what should have been done to get rid of that "passport" look. Never ever pose a female with their shoulders square to the camera because it makes them look wide and wide means heavy which usually translates as fat. Does any woman want to look heavy? I have never photographed one in my 26 years as a pro. A 45° turn or the torso looks SOOOOOOOO much better and she looks soooooo much thinner. Do all women want to look thinner? YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

Benji

Benji wrote in post #6908003
First one, if this is a passport or driver's license image great job. If it is a portrait lets see what should have been done to get rid of that "passport" look. Never ever pose a female with their shoulders square to the camera because it makes them look wide and wide means heavy which usually translates as fat. Does any woman want to look heavy? I have never photographed one in my 26 years as a pro. A 45° turn or the torso looks SOOOOOOOO much better and she looks soooooo much thinner. Do all women want to look thinner? YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

Benji

Benji,

I have benefited from many of your posts but I have to disagree with your absolutes. I say never say never.

She was not going for your high school senior or posed portrait look that I generally see from you.

The model really liked this particular pose and she is RAZOR thin so I very seriously doubt that she has any concern about looking heavy.

I do appreciate your comments though.

Thanks

jdouglas003 wrote in post #6908218
Benji,

I have benefited from many of your posts but I have to disagree with your absolutes. I say never say never.

She was not going for your high school senior or posed portrait look that I generally see from you.

The model really liked this particular pose and she is RAZOR thin so I very seriously doubt that she has any concern about looking heavy.

I do appreciate your comments though.

Thanks

I have to admit I agree with Benji on this. The first pose just looks flat to me. Your model has great features (see photo 2) but they don't come out at all in the first shot.

My 2 cents.

Image #1
As stated, crop is odd.
Eyes are uneven, models left eye seems to be higher than her right.
Stray hair shadow on her left cheek.
Skin appears slightly splotchy.

Image#2 Still has an odd crop but otherwise a good image

As stated, crop is odd.
Can someone elaborate a bit on the odd aspects of the crop so that I will know what to look for.

Eyes are uneven, models left eye seems to be higher than her right.
I see this now that you point it out.

Stray hair shadow on her left cheek.
OK, I see that.

Skin appears slightly splotchy.
Her skin was pretty bad. This one thing I was looking to see how well I had done on the skin. You are the only one so far to comment.

Image#2 Still has an odd crop but otherwise a good image
Again please elaborate on the odd aspects of the crop so that I will know what you guys are talking about.

Thanks to all for your comments.

notmydog wrote in post #6908750
I have to admit I agree with Benji on this. The first pose just looks flat to me. Your model has great features (see photo 2) but they don't come out at all in the first shot.

My 2 cents.

This was a pose that was chosen by the model. I did not direct her at all.

Even though I know this is not a conventional pose I personally do find it to be appealing in a different way.

The areas I have circled in red are the areas of concern.
In image #1 the model looks clamped into the frame.
At the same time if the tank top had been a halter and only the models skin was showing the #2 image would be ok.

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jdouglas003 wrote in post #6912462
This was a pose that was chosen by the model. I did not direct her at all.

Even though I know this is not a conventional pose I personally do find it to be appealing in a different way.

Well Doug, I'm not here to fight, but since when does the client dictate to the pro what to do? Very few people know how to pose themselves so they will look good in a photograph, and this young lady was no exception. If the client demands that I photograph them in a certain way, I oblige them then I tell them I would also like to pose them. The only time this has happened to me she absolutely hated "her" pose and she chose mine.

Benji

Benji wrote in post #6914655
Well Doug, I'm not here to fight, but since when does the client dictate to the pro what to do? Very few people know how to pose themselves so they will look good in a photograph, and this young lady was no exception. If the client demands that I photograph them in a certain way, I oblige them then I tell them I would also like to pose them. The only time this has happened to me she absolutely hated "her" pose and she chose mine.

Benji

FYI - this was a TFCD shoot with aspiring models who are supposedly trying to become professionals also.
It is a professional model's job to know how to pose, at least that is my understanding.
When I work with aspiring models on a TF basis I ask them how they want to work. Do you want me to direct you or do you want to direct yourself? I believe both ways are mutually beneficial for myself and the model.
If I have something in particular that I'm trying to get then I will pose/direct the model. As I did here. If not I let them do what want to do.
If you look at any fashion oriented magazine, or whatever, you will very quickly realize that your conventional posing rules are not all that important in that world.
As I said before that I have benefited from many of your posts/rules, and I think that it's important to know the rules, but you don't have to always live by them.

goforphoto wrote in post #6912531
The areas I have circled in red are the areas of concern.
In image #1 the model looks clamped into the frame.
At the same time if the tank top had been a halter and only the models skin was showing the #2 image would be ok.

Thanks, that's what I thought you were talking about. I appreciate you taking the time to point that out.