Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff Photography Industry News 
Thread started 23 Dec 2008 (Tuesday) 13:44
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

New version 50mm L f1.2??

 
sml
Senior Member
Avatar
511 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Feb 2008
     
Dec 23, 2008 13:44 |  #1

I'm just wondering....every site I go to seems to talk about how great this current lens is except for the possibility of a back-focusing issue. And everyone knows that Canon knows about the problem.
Has anyone heard anything or have any idea regarding the possibility of a newer version/update of that lens that will presumably include a fix?


Steve L
5D Mark III, 5D Mark II, 24mm f1.4L II, 50mm f1.2L, 85mm f1.2L II, 100mm 2.8 Macro, 17-35mm f2.8 L, 24-105mm f4 L, 70-200mm f2.8 IS II L, 75-300mm f4-5.6 IS. Canon 600EX-RT, ST-E3-RT. Gitzo 2531, RRS BH-40 Ballhead.
www.stephenmlevinphoto​s.com

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
lowcrust
Senior Member
Avatar
948 posts
Joined Jun 2007
Location: Scandinavia
     
Dec 29, 2008 13:52 |  #2

It's not a back-focusing issue. It's an optical limitation.

Ever wondered why there are so few f/1.2 lenses? I don't see the 50 f/1.2 being updated anytime soon.


~ BORN FREE - TAXED TO DEATH! ~

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
symbolphoto
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,628 posts
Likes: 18
Joined Nov 2005
Location: Boston, MA
     
Jan 03, 2009 23:41 |  #3

85 MKII doesn't have the issue. That's a poor argument. They need to update the lens... plain and simple.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Oteck
Senior Member
570 posts
Joined Aug 2008
Location: Vancouver B.C.
     
Jan 04, 2009 00:03 |  #4

they could use a 35L 1.2 :)


Canon 7D, 50D/BG-E2N, 580EXII
EF-s 10-22mm, EF-s 17-55mm 2.8 [70-200mm IS 2.8L[COLOR=Red][COLOR=Blac​k]][85L[COLOR=Red] [COLOR=Black]1.2] (coming soon 35L II? [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Blac​k]50L II?)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
lowcrust
Senior Member
Avatar
948 posts
Joined Jun 2007
Location: Scandinavia
     
Jan 06, 2009 00:47 |  #5

mumbles wrote in post #6999191 (external link)
85 MKII doesn't have the issue. That's a poor argument. They need to update the lens... plain and simple.

This effect will be greater the wider the lens is. It only occurs at a very specific range within a specific aperture range. Most people who own it doesn't seem to be all that bothered by it. If it was a simple back-focusing issue it would be solved on most modern cameras with micro-adjustment AF.

Maybe they could re-design the lens to get rid of this limitation altogether. But until they do you'll just have to use the Sigma, Tamron or Tokina versions? Oh that's right they don't make one. How about one of the Nikkor 50-range 1.2 lenses then? Chose between the reasonably priced but manual focus only 50 1.2 or the insanely expensive, manual focus, and discontinued-over-ten-years-ago Nikkor 58 1.2 then?


~ BORN FREE - TAXED TO DEATH! ~

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Karl ­ Johnston
Cream of the Crop
9,334 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Jul 2008
     
Jan 06, 2009 01:09 |  #6
bannedPermanent ban

I want a redesign to the 50 mm 1.0


Adventurous Photographer, Writer (external link) & Wedding Photographer (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Paul ­ J ­ McCain
Senior Member
Avatar
512 posts
Joined Jun 2006
Location: St. Louis, MO
     
Jan 06, 2009 02:08 as a reply to  @ Karl Johnston's post |  #7

Is it really that big of a problem to need a whole redesign?


GEAR LIST

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Karl ­ Johnston
Cream of the Crop
9,334 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Jul 2008
     
Jan 06, 2009 02:11 |  #8
bannedPermanent ban

yup, i want one for 500 $ ;)


Adventurous Photographer, Writer (external link) & Wedding Photographer (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sml
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
Avatar
511 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Feb 2008
     
Jan 07, 2009 16:03 |  #9

I've just noticed that the price for the 50L is slightly lower at a couple of places than it was a couple of weeks ago (Amazon, for example). By about 20 or 30 dollars.
Is that a sign that there may be a new version of the lens coming out soon?


Steve L
5D Mark III, 5D Mark II, 24mm f1.4L II, 50mm f1.2L, 85mm f1.2L II, 100mm 2.8 Macro, 17-35mm f2.8 L, 24-105mm f4 L, 70-200mm f2.8 IS II L, 75-300mm f4-5.6 IS. Canon 600EX-RT, ST-E3-RT. Gitzo 2531, RRS BH-40 Ballhead.
www.stephenmlevinphoto​s.com

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sth_
Senior Member
Avatar
811 posts
Joined Mar 2008
Location: Europe
     
Jan 10, 2009 07:52 as a reply to  @ sml's post |  #10

How about a 50mm L f1.4 for ~$500? :cool:
(metal construction, weather sealing, ring usm)


My completely outdated Flickr (external link) :: Gear

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
wallybud
Taking the "Walk of Shame"
Avatar
2,980 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Feb 2008
Location: Buffalo, NY
     
Jan 14, 2009 18:30 |  #11

Oteck wrote in post #6999273 (external link)
they could use a 35L 1.2 :)

+100 weatherwealed and all...Id pay 2K for that;)


-Walt-
Life is good. Do What You Like. Like What You Do.
GEAR LIST
Take | In | Life Photography (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Perry ­ Ge
Batteries? We don't need no...   . . . or cards.
Avatar
12,266 posts
Gallery: 83 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 298
Joined Jul 2007
Location: Hong Kong
     
Jan 15, 2009 22:11 |  #12

lowcrust wrote in post #7013842 (external link)
This effect will be greater the wider the lens is.

Has nothing to do with focal length. The 85L has a floating element, the 50 1.2 lacks one. Until they add a floating element to the 50 1.2, it will always have the focus shift (adding one would likely increase size, price). There's a good reason why most f/1.2 lenses are manual focus lenses. The 85L is somethin' special, Canon pulled off something great when designing that one.


Perry | www.perryge.com (external link) | flickr (external link) | C&C always welcome | Market Feedback & Gear | Sharpening sticky | Perspective sticky

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
billppw350z
Member
Avatar
210 posts
Joined Apr 2006
Location: Carson City
     
Jan 19, 2009 08:10 |  #13

perryge wrote in post #7086744 (external link)
Has nothing to do with focal length. The 85L has a floating element, the 50 1.2 lacks one. Until they add a floating element to the 50 1.2, it will always have the focus shift (adding one would likely increase size, price). There's a good reason why most f/1.2 lenses are manual focus lenses. The 85L is somethin' special, Canon pulled off something great when designing that one.

As much as I like the 85L as a portrait lens, I much prefer the 50L ‘s limitations over the 85L’s as a walk around/street lens. If to correct the “focus shift” they would have to add a floating element making the 50L like the heavy, slow by wire auto focusing, and sort of manual focusing while in auto mode 85L…No thanks.


Bill
Regardless of the genre or medium, I just like capturing beauty and recording memories
billppw350z.smugmug.co​m/ (external link)
Gear List

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
joe ­ mama
Senior Member
Avatar
666 posts
Joined Oct 2005
Location: Earth
     
Feb 25, 2009 17:14 |  #14
bannedPermanent ban

I've always found complaints about the 50 / 1.2L's backfocusing when at close focusing using the center AF stopped down to be a bit odd. Do so many people do that with a fast 50mm? I described the issue here:

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1029&messag​e=25117450 (external link)

Of course, it would be nice if Canon offered a firmware solution for this issue so as not to adversely affect other properties of the lens. Still, how many people use a fast 50mm prime in the prescribed manner so that the issue makes itself so much of a problem that they denigrade the lens on this one minor point?

These are the types of pics I take with the lens:

http://www.pbase.com/j​oemama/50l_gallery (external link)

and it just isn't an issue for me.


--joe

www.josephjamesphotogr​aphy.com (external link)
www.pbase.com/joemama (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
AngryCorgi
-Bouncing Boy- a POTN peion
Avatar
11,547 posts
Likes: 7
Joined Aug 2005
Location: Surrounded by bunnies, squirrels and a couple of crazy corgis in NoVA...
     
Feb 25, 2009 17:27 |  #15

sth_ wrote in post #7045082 (external link)
How about a 50mm L f1.4 for ~$500? :cool:
(metal construction, weather sealing, ring usm)

Everything but the sealing is already being sold...for $500.

(see Sigma 50/1.4)

Ironically, it also exhibits focus-shift and everybody cries about it too.


AngryCorgi (external link) (aka Tom) ...Tools...

...Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, Wisdom is knowing not to include it in a fruit salad...

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

7,902 views & 0 likes for this thread, 20 members have posted to it.
New version 50mm L f1.2??
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff Photography Industry News 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Frankie Frankenberry
1236 guests, 124 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.