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Jan 04, 2009 08:28 |  #1

I use a DSLR a Rebel Xti which I purchased last May I have 4 lenses the kit lens 18-55mm, 50mm f1.8, Sigma 17-35mm and a recently purchased 55-250mm these are all EF-S Lens.
I am starting a photography course next year and film photography is a part of the course I need to buy a film DSLR for use on the course.
E-bay has a number of Canon SLR camera's.
I was looking at a Canon 1000F(n) which uses EF lens.
My question is will the 1000f accept my EF-S lens.
Question 2 if no then what film camera would as this would save me a buying lenses.
I have searched the web and for every site which says yes there is another site which says no.
Can anyone help please.

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Jan 04, 2009 08:32 |  #2

No 35mm film camera takes EF-S lenses, they are specifically designed for 1.6x crop digitals.




  
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Jan 04, 2009 08:45 as a reply to  @ sandpiper's post |  #3

Just thinking about ways to save you money.

If you were to go back to an older system, which uses manual focus lenses such as Canon FD (predecessor to the EOS / EF system) then you could probably pick up a body and several lenses for very little money.

Manual focus isn't daunting with these old systems as they are designed for MF and make it very easy, unlike trying to MF with EOS digital cameras which can be a pain in the butt.

I have three old Canon FD bodies, and about a dozen lenses, which I never use these days but just aren't worth selling for the peanuts I would get for them.

Good bodies include the T-90, which was the latest and greatest of the FD line and has many of the features that you would find in a more recent digital camera. The specs are very nice and it is a great camera to use.




  
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Jan 04, 2009 08:52 |  #4

If you'd be looking for a film camera that does not use the Canon EF mount, you should not limit your search to Canon cameras. In its day, for example, the Nikon F (of which I own two) was absolutely the best 35mm film camera available. They can be had for a song today.

Another perfectly good camera is the Pentax 1000.

The cameras I have mentioned are fully manual - manual film advance, manual focus, manual exposure. This is the best type of platform for you to use to learn photography basics, in my opinion. A fully manual camera would also be the least expensive type of film camera for you to buy.


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Jan 04, 2009 08:52 |  #5

labbad wrote in post #7000768 (external link)
I use a DSLR a Rebel Xti which I purchased last May I have 4 lenses the kit lens 18-55mm, 50mm f1.8, Sigma 17-35mm and a recently purchased 55-250mm these are all EF-S Lens.
I am starting a photography course next year and film photography is a part of the course I need to buy a film DSLR for use on the course.
E-bay has a number of Canon SLR camera's.
I was looking at a Canon 1000F(n) which uses EF lens.
My question is will the 1000f accept my EF-S lens.
Question 2 if no then what film camera would as this would save me a buying lenses.
I have searched the web and for every site which says yes there is another site which says no.
Can anyone help please.

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#1 - I don't think that Sigma is a DC lens, so it should work on a film body. Your 50/1.8 is also compatible with any EOS film body.

I second Sandpiper's recommendation to simply not use EOS for film. There are better options. Depending on what kind of photography you are looking to do you might want to get a medium format TLR or rangefinder. I'd only stick with SLR if you really need the speed or portability.


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Jan 04, 2009 09:05 |  #6

JeffreyG wrote in post #7000878 (external link)
you might want to get a medium format TLR

Hehe, yeah, they're fun but you need good co-ordination. I have an old Yashica TLR and it takes a little time to stop going the wrong way when composing your image. The image on the screen is reversed so left is right and up is down. Great quality negs though. Make sure that you will have facilities for processing MF film though and be prepared for higher running costs than 35mm. Very good for getting you out of the habit of shooting before REALLY thinking about the shot first.




  
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Jan 04, 2009 10:57 as a reply to  @ sandpiper's post |  #7

Thanks for all the help and advise.
I was looking for Canon as I thought i could use my existing lens.
Ye have opened up loads of options for me once they are eliminated.
Being reduced to the nifty fifty and the Sigma isn't an option thanks for the imput though .
Back to E-bay.
Thanks again.
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Jan 04, 2009 11:12 |  #8

I still use my 30 year old Canon AE-1. It's film... image quality will be the same no matter what camera you use (provided it works properly). I've seen AE-1 setups being sold for like $50 with two or three lenses.


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Jan 04, 2009 13:02 |  #9

labbad wrote in post #7000768 (external link)
I use a DSLR a Rebel Xti which I purchased last May I have 4 lenses the kit lens 18-55mm, 50mm f1.8, Sigma 17-35mm and a recently purchased 55-250mm these are all EF-S Lens.
I am starting a photography course next year and film photography is a part of the course I need to buy a film DSLR for use on the course.
E-bay has a number of Canon SLR camera's.
I was looking at a Canon 1000F(n) which uses EF lens.
My question is will the 1000f accept my EF-S lens.
Question 2 if no then what film camera would as this would save me a buying lenses.
I have searched the web and for every site which says yes there is another site which says no.
Can anyone help please.

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The EF 50mm f/1.8 is an EF lens, not EF-S.
The Sigma 17-35mm is not a DC lens to my knowledge its a pretty old design.

Both of these lenses will work on any and all Canon EOS film bodies.

As for the EF-S 18-55(IS or not) and the EF-S 55-250mm IS, they are EF-S and are specifically designed for 1.6x crop Digital bodies. They will NOT WORK with any film bodies. Their rear elements extend into the camera body and will interfere with the reflex mirror. There is no EOS film body in existence that will allow you to use these lenses successfully no matter what you have read.

If you are already looking at EOS film bodies, you might as well look at the better ones. The EOS 1000 is a pretty old model dating back to 03/92. It lacks many of the major advances in interface and functionality that came later in the decade.

You can find EOS Elan7E's (which have the EyeControl I love so much) and EOS-3's and EOS-1's even for under $200 bux these days. And if you search a bit you can find one with a good lens to add to the stable for not much more.

If you're gonna look at the top-of-the-line models, look for the EOS-3, EOS-1N, or the EOS-1V. These are the best ever.

-The EOS-1N is the first EOS-1 series capable of 8fps (with the optional PB-E2), it debuted the first 45-point AF system.
-The EOS-1NRS is a specialized version of the EOS-1N with a unique mirror box utilizing a Pellical Mirror (semi-transparent) that doesn't move plus an integrated PB-E2 power booster in order to achieve the first SLR with a 10fps burst rate.
-The EOS-3 built on the success of the EOS-1N, inheriting its body and build quality and motor, and added EyeControl to the already amazing 45-point AreaAF system (I bought this as an upgrade to my Elan7E, I still own both and shoot with them often).
-The EOS-1V is the best and last EOS-1 of the film era. Its ergonomics and build design (making a body out of a solid peice of metal and applying rubber and paint coatings to it) are the basis of all modern EOS bodies (from the 40D onward), before this all bodies were encased in polycarbonate shells (like the 20D and 30Ds). It seamless body made it the most weather resistant of its time and its overall shape is the basis on which all EOS-1D's have been based. Its 10fps burst rate was the first without a pellical mirror as used in the EOS-1NRS.

If an EOS-1 classed body is not for you, look for the following.
-EOS Elan II / EOS Elan IIE / EOS 50, EOS 55 - is the second body featuring the EyeControl Focus system, the size of the body feels firm in the hand, its a well built camera, but only 3-AF points.
-EOS Elan7E / EOS Elan7NE /EOS 30, this body utilized a second generation EyeControl that supposedly improved response time by 15% over the EOS-3. It has a 7-point AF system. Its a great camera and I love mine.

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Jan 05, 2009 09:25 as a reply to  @ nureality's post |  #10

Thanks for all your time and effort. that is a mountain of information for me to start looking seriously
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Jan 05, 2009 09:57 |  #11

labbad wrote in post #7000768 (external link)
I use a DSLR a Rebel Xti which I purchased last May I have 4 lenses the kit lens 18-55mm, 50mm f1.8, Sigma 17-35mm and a recently purchased 55-250mm these are all EF-S Lens.
I am starting a photography course next year and film photography is a part of the course I need to buy a film DSLR for use on the course.
E-bay has a number of Canon SLR camera's.
I was looking at a Canon 1000F(n) which uses EF lens.
My question is will the 1000f accept my EF-S lens.
Question 2 if no then what film camera would as this would save me a buying lenses.
I have searched the web and for every site which says yes there is another site which says no.
Can anyone help please.

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I have an EOS300 film, its ok, its basic but more modern than others, for €30 you can't go wrong, also its supports ETTL which I like a lot.

I also have a Sigma 17-35 EX DG HSM like you which is a full frame DG lens. I have taken shots with it on the EOS300. On a full frame or film camera it works as an ultrawide to wide lens (on your digital its more like wide to normal), this is a 17mm film shot.

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I also have a Canon EF50mm f/1.8 II, which is more like a normal prime on the EOS300 film body. (its more a short tele on a crop camera). Its a great do everything length, another film shot with it.
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So out of 4 lenses, you have 2 that will work. You can't physically put an EF-s Lens on a film camera (I have tried) so your 18-55 and 55-250 are no good to you. If canon ever build and APS-C film body you would think it would fit, but this is not likely, even the 10d can't take EF-s lenses.

Your 17-35mm and 50mm will work well, and if you add a 70-x00 to those you have a pretty good range covered. A good cheap 70-300 is the Sigma 70-300 DG APO Macro. This was taken on some film with one
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Leaving the discusion about crop factors to one side, your lense do slightly different things on different formats, so if you buy anything bear this in mind. Example on a crop camera like the XTi (I also have one) and the EOS300.

17-35mm
XTi - This goes from wide 17mm, to a normal persective close to what you see with your own eyes at 35mm.
Film - This now behaves like a very wide lens to less wide

50mm
XTi - Portrait distance lens, will get you head and shoulder shots
Film - Perfect do everything lens, will do whole body shots

70-300mm
Xti - gets you lots of reach for those far away objects
Film - gets you lots of reach but not quite as much as on the digital camera.

If I was in your boots I would have got a 70-300 over the 55-250, but its too late for that. Realistically all you are missing is a long 70-xxx lens for your film body. If you think you want to upgrade the 55-250 before the course just make sure you get something with and EF mount like a 70-200. Maybe you want to complement that lens existing lens with a prime like a 100 macro or a 135mm lens, or something like that. These also could be used on the film body.

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Jan 07, 2009 06:12 |  #12

Thanks KarlosDaJackal for your help and imput after this I have a lot to learn




  
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Jan 07, 2009 06:22 |  #13

I think I'd be looking for a different course.


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