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hqqns wrote in post #10286753
The 7D's direct print button doubles as a quick select RAW and/or JPEG button. It's worth getting it just for that

Eh, real men don't use JPEG

MrWho wrote in post #10287030
Eh, real men don't use JPEG

HAHA, I have mine set to RAW only, and sometimes it's easier when you're on the go and you want to give someone a picture (right away) you wouldn't want to give them a raw file Or stuff around in DPP or PS

TeamSpeed wrote in post #10285543
I see no reason why a future 60D has to "lie between the 50D and 7D and T2i", but rather have a host of new features not found on any of these. That is what will prompt sales of it over the others.

In my head, it doesn't make sense to have a camera with a host of new features not found on the cameras mentioned while still making it less expensive than the 7D. Canon wouldn't be selling many more 7D's if that was the case. I could be wrong, that's just how it seems to me. Although they did release the 7D with better video than the 5DII, but we all know how that ended up (public outcry from 5DII owners upset that their camera they paid a thousand dollars more for had less video options compelled Canon to update the firmware to have the same video options as the 7D).

griptape wrote in post #10287342
In my head, it doesn't make sense to have a camera with a host of new features not found on the cameras mentioned while still making it less expensive than the 7D. Canon wouldn't be selling many more 7D's if that was the case. I could be wrong, that's just how it seems to me. Although they did release the 7D with better video than the 5DII, but we all know how that ended up (public outcry from 5DII owners upset that their camera they paid a thousand dollars more for had less video options compelled Canon to update the firmware to have the same video options as the 7D).

This methodology of marketing is nothing new, it has happened in previous releases. Plus Canon themselves stated that the 7D is a new line at a new level and is not the replacement for the 50D. So either, the xxD line is dead or there is a 60D. Only two options at this point...

There is a higher probability that there will be a 60D with a feature set that lies between the others, but with some new features also not found on the others, due to what Canon has alluded, what the market will bear, and how the competition is laid out. Higher than just dropping the xxD line anyways.

The introduction of the 7D has confused me for sure. I thought I understood the xD, xxD, xxxD, xxxxD logic before that. Now I don't know what Canon will do next. The 7D to me is the 60D but with another name.

I don't see the room for a second tier of semi-pro 3D, 5D, 7D models beneath the 1D/1Ds and the current 50D unless they plan to dumb down the xxD level OR raise the current 1D/1Ds range.

Lowner wrote in post #10287601
The introduction of the 7D has confused me for sure. I thought I understood the xD, xxD, xxxD, xxxxD logic before that. Now I don't know what Canon will do next. The 7D to me is the 60D but with another name.

I don't see the room for a second tier of semi-pro 3D, 5D, 7D models beneath the 1D/1Ds and the current 50D unless they plan to dumb down the xxD level OR raise the current 1D/1Ds range.

It has nothing to do with "dummying down" a line. It just like purchasing a vehicle, where they have a 3 or 4 model lines, complete with a list of 4-5 different packaged options you can choose from. It comes down to a price range and what can fit into that price range. Almost the entire market is that way.

You pick the price point that a segment of the market will accommodate, then figure out what you can fit into the product for that price.

In any case, only time will tell, I will just sit on the fence and watch the polarization of others one way or the other. I don't care one way or another, my ultimate goal is to get back to the 1D series (1DIV), so the 7D will tide me over until the price is right.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #10287631
It has nothing to do with "dummying down" a line. It just like purchasing a vehicle, where they have a 3 or 4 model lines, complete with a list of 4-5 different packaged options you can choose from. It comes down to a price range and what can fit into that price range. Almost the entire market is that way.

You pick the price point that a segment of the market will accommodate, then figure out what you can fit into the product for that price.

In any case, only time will tell, I will just sit on the fence and watch the polarization of others one way or the other. I don't care one way or another, my ultimate goal is to get back to the 1D series (1DIV), so the 7D will tide me over until the price is right.

If you are going by that comparison, then that is not a good example for people who think a 60D is coming out. Automakers are cutting back on models and simplifying product lines for each model. How many different model midrange SUVs did Ford or GM need? They had too many which competed against other internal products and cut back.

Do you really think Canon is going to have 3 product lines of 18 megapixel DSLRs? Do you think Canon is going to introduce a 60D that is spec inferior to the T2i? I think not. There is no sign of a 60D coming down the road. What Canon may do is to introduce a new Rebel model with a larger body next year to take the place where the X0D used to be, but good chance there will not be a model called the 60D. That may cause panic among the numerology superstitous bunch. The 7D and Rebel T2i are too similar to one another and sell too well for Canon to introduce another model with similar specs.

Using automobiles as an example is apropos for another reason too. Customers are getting wise to the "hey, that car is just the same platform as their other car for a few thousand more with just a few differences and new name, how stupid do they think I am?" Platform cars, common engines and so on are nothing new and it never made sense for GM to sell the same exact car aside from options and name in 5 product lines. Cars and cameras today can be the same in hardware and simply use software to add features but people get wise of it, tuners and firmware/chip writers can expose the upclassed functionality just by flashing. It is annoying to pay a few hundred or thousand bucks more for a few lines of software. The average consumer who doesn't push his/her car or camera to their limits won't necessarily use the few extra hardware features anyways. Often it is the image that sells, the idea that they have a pro camera or a car that can go on the track even if it only takes baby pictures or picks up groceries and kids.

Again, who really cares at this point, time will tell, it is certainly not worth all this effort. Instead it would be advantageous for this thread to outline what we WANT in a new body, not what we THINK Canon is doing in the dark recesses of their R&D department.

As for the fact that people are getting wise to the fact that car platforms (and engines) are found in different lines, that has always been the case for the past 15 years or so. What sold cars in one line over another were the options, styling, and brand-loyalty, at least with the US manufacturers. With the Canon DSLR, this would be substituted with features, aesthetics/size, and line loyalty. There are some that will never consider a Rebel just because it is Rebel... for example. Just like there are those that will never consider a lens because it doesn't have an L or red-ring...

Canon has always been and probably still is very good at keeping their future release plans secret. You won't know definitively about what the next 2 new bodies will be until about 1-2 weeks before the official announcement (yes, I expect to see 2 new offerings). Canon is very good at their ability to keep secrets, that we know.

hqqns wrote in post #10287232
HAHA, I have mine set to RAW only, and sometimes it's easier when you're on the go and you want to give someone a picture (right away) you wouldn't want to give them a raw file Or stuff around in DPP or PS

That's true. Or just buy 5-6 cards and shoot RAW + JPEG If you expose correctly and get it right in-camera, then the workflow will probably be just "batch convert" in DPP and that's it, I've actually had an entire day of shooting in RAW where all I did was hit the "convert" button and that was it, everything was what I wanted in-camera.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #10289202
Again, who really cares at this point, time will tell, it is certainly not worth all this effort. Instead it would be advantageous for this thread to outline what we WANT in a new body, not what we THINK Canon is doing in the dark recesses of their R&D department.

It's probably going to be basically the same AF system, burst rate, and build of the 50D with new metering (pretty much 100% since they put new metering in the Rebel line), DIGIC V processor and maybe no 60 FPS option in video, but I doubt that most people will notice or miss it. Really the only thing I would want them to add would be the gridlines in the VF, they could have just taken the 50D, put in a DIGIC V and the grindlines and I would've been in line for it.

MrWho wrote in post #10289771
That's true. Or just buy 5-6 cards and shoot RAW + JPEG If you expose correctly and get it right in-camera, then the workflow will probably be just "batch convert" in DPP and that's it, I've actually had an entire day of shooting in RAW where all I did was hit the "convert" button and that was it, everything was what I wanted in-camera.

It's probably going to be basically the same AF system, burst rate, and build of the 50D with new metering (pretty much 100% since they put new metering in the Rebel line), DIGIC V processor and maybe no 60 FPS option in video, but I doubt that most people will notice or miss it. Really the only thing I would want them to add would be the gridlines in the VF, they could have just taken the 50D, put in a DIGIC V and the grindlines and I would've been in line for it.

I would like 5 or 7 shot AEB, definable auto-ISO limits including the extended ISOs, and I am not against an articulating LCD. In-body IS would be an interesting new feature too. Finally, I would like to see an automated-micro adjustment feature that allows two values, not one, since the camera already knows the lens and its FL range, it could allow for two values and interpolate linearly depending on what FL you are at.

Just a few ideas that would interest me!

TeamSpeed wrote in post #10289874
I would like 5 or 7 shot AEB, definable auto-ISO limits including the extended ISOs, and I am not against an articulating LCD. In-body IS would be an interesting new feature too. Finally, I would like to see an automated-micro adjustment feature that allows two values, not one, since the camera already knows the lens and its FL range, it could allow for two values and interpolate linearly depending on what FL you are at.

Just a few ideas that would interest me!

I think that built-in WiFi upload/tethering would be great. Eye-Fi has already shown that it can be done inexpensively (and how much cheaper would it be for Canon if they didn't have to cram everything into something the size of an SD card?). I can imagine doing intervalometer work wirelessly... I think that the in-body IS is still a ways off, but a mirrorless (EVIL) design could potentially give very high FPS or possibly faster flash sync without necessarily cannibalizing 7D sales. (There are those that couldn't stand to own a camera lacking the mirror slap to make them feel professional/important​. )

I think that the 60D will be an SUV to the 7D being a sports car. They may have the same engine, but they will cater to different users through features. Extremely clean high ISO but Rebel-esque FPS might be useful for event/wedding phototogs (either to start out or as a backup body). As the 7D seems to cater to the sports/action crowd while still being a good all-around camera, I think that the 60D will cater to some other group with added features or abilities that are not necessarily found on the 7D or particularly useful in semi-pro sports photography.

I would like to see a built in GPS that records the location the photograph was taking.

geoff5093 wrote in post #10300846
I would like to see a built in GPS that records the location the photograph was taking.

I think that takes a lot of battery power and I don't think it'll work well unless you are outside, with few trees and few buildings around.

I'd prefer wi-fi, maybe it'll be designed into the digic 5 ...

geoff5093 wrote in post #10300846
I would like to see a built in GPS that records the location the photograph was taking.

I think that is a feature that people don't realize how useful it would be. It would be great to go into Lightroom (or whatever editing program you use) and search for "zoo" and have instant results of your trip from 3 years ago.