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Advice on what I should buy? The classic body vs glass debate

 
highv0lt6ge
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Jan 12, 2009 19:41 |  #1

Hey Guys and Gals,

I'm sure everyone get's sick of these kind of emails, I mean, it feels like there are ten new posts like this one every day, so I hate to add to the list - but I need some good advice.

Let me start by saying, I've been lurking around this forum for a while now, and I really feel like it's one of the best forums out there. Not only for activity, but for the knowledge of those who post here. I've certainly not come across anything better.

I'm a 21, almost 22 college student, and amateur photographer. Photography has been a great hobby for me, and that's really all its been - a hobby. I've had a Rebel XT since summer of 2005, and focused mainly on sports photography (for example: from the stands at a NFL game) and rail photography. I'd say 70% of my pictures have had a train in them, and the rest were sporting events, and some candids of the family and friends. I've done two paying shoots, two weddings for friends of friends.

Anyway, my eqipment is as follows: Rebel XT, the 17-55 kit glass, the 28-135 3.5-5.6, and the 70-300 4.0-5.6. I've wanted to upgrade for a long time now, but being a college student, I really couldn't justify spending tons of money on a photography hobby. But, now the time has come, and I really feel like I've outgrown my glass and my camera, and I have some money buring a hole in my pockets now. So the classic question...what should I buy? Body or glass.

I'd should preface this with saying I'd like to spend in the 1600-1800 dollar range.

I really feel like I've outgrown the XT, and with technology advacing so fast, 2005 feels like a really long time ago. So I'd like to step up to the xxD series, with either a 40 or 50d. I like buying the new stuff, so I've been heavily leaning to the 50, and I feel like the price difference is still so close that it's hard not to justify spending the extra couple of hundred bucks to get a 50d. So, what do you guys think? Is the 50 worth spending a few extra bucks? Or should I spend the money I'd save and put it towards glass?

So if I bought the 50d, I'd probably end up spending 1100 dollars, based on current prices at reputable stores. That'd leave me with roughly 700 or so dollars. I've thought hard about getting the 70-200 f/2.8 IS, and just spend all my money there, but I really feel like I'd be getting more bang for my buck if I got the 50d, and say the 70-200 f/4.0. But that leads me to my next issue....everyone says if you can spare it, get the IS. So if I dropped a few more hundred bucks, I could step up the 70-200 f/4.0 IS. But that's so close in price to the 70-200 f/2.8 non-IS would it be better to just get that? Or should I just bite the bullet, and give up my dream of owning L-Glass one day, and get the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8?

Any and all advice would be very much appreciated. And I'm sorry this was so long, I just figured all the details might be nice.

Thanks!!

Greg in Cincy


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Jan 12, 2009 19:44 |  #2

Used used used... there is little point in buying bodies new these days. The previous generation image quality is outstanding. In your shoes, I'd get a 40D, and you'd still have $1200 ? left for two lenses.

I'd suggest the 85/1.8 and 200/2.8 but that is what I use... you may prefer zooms. One of those is an L and one of those could be an L.


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Jan 12, 2009 19:55 |  #3

You can try out a 1D II if you like. It fits your budget plus it'll shine with the 70-300 and any L's you get.


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Jan 12, 2009 20:22 |  #4

I can vouch for the 40D. You get AF micro-adjust, bit higher ISO (arguably) and 920K LCD, plus a little bit more. The IQ of the 40D is superb. Used is a good method, as you get the upper hand on price. If you like NEW (my wife is the same), then get the 50D or 40D new and by getting the 40D you save a bit, and can put it towards that 70-200 2.8 IS [USED ;)]

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Jan 12, 2009 20:34 as a reply to  @ Sean's post |  #5

I know the feeling. I should have bouht a used 5D + an 85L (which I also lust after hard) but ended up buying the 5D MK2 for new tech's sake.

But I'm keepin m 40D because I love it and the tech is relatively recent. For what you're saying, you are MUUUCH better off buying a 40D even new for 799 and then getting some great glass. Love the 40D and, having seen the 50D's pictures, felt no "darn it!" regret.




  
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Jan 12, 2009 20:38 |  #6

or if you don't like buying used bodies, just buy the previous generation like a new 40D.
IMO, save it for glass and wait for the 60D next year.


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Jan 12, 2009 20:48 |  #7

Sean wrote in post #7063327 (external link)
I can vouch for the 40D. You get AF micro-adjust, bit higher ISO (arguably) and 920K LCD, plus a little bit more.

Just to eliminate any confusion, the above features are 50D features, not 40D ones.


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Jan 12, 2009 20:56 |  #8

kcbrown wrote in post #7063523 (external link)
Just to eliminate any confusion, the above features are 50D features, not 40D ones.

Yep, I was saying the same thing to myself. :)



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Jan 12, 2009 20:59 |  #9

70-200IS. At this point your sport shooting career is over (unless you are somehow not a second semester senior), so it's more for weddings and candids. Though in reality i would tell you to just get a few good primes and save the rest for later.


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Jan 12, 2009 21:18 as a reply to  @ basroil's post |  #10

If I was in your spot I would get a used 40D body, used 70-200 f/4, and you still have enough money to get 1 more lens. Possibly the Tamron 17-50, Canon 50mm f/1.4 or 85mm f/1.8.


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Jan 12, 2009 21:34 |  #11

What about buying some good lenses instead of glasses?


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Jan 12, 2009 21:38 as a reply to  @ brianch's post |  #12

My suggestion would be to get the 40D and a fast prime. Play around with that for a bit and see the difference fast glass and a good body can make. I'd consider the 85 1.8 or 135L. If you don't like them, you'll be able to recover most of your funds.


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Jan 12, 2009 21:42 |  #13

What should I really look for in used camera equipment? I'm paranoid when it comes to buying expensive things used. Maybe it comes from being spoiled younger in life, but lack of warranties, etc., make me more than a little nervous.


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Jan 12, 2009 21:44 |  #14

Are you factoring in what you might get for some of your old stuff??
Keep the XT as the backup, get a new 40d (extended warranty perhaps) and used 70-200IS
Sell the kit lens and 28-135 and pick up a new/used Tamron or Sig 17-50(55) range lens.
Of course, I may be biased by my sig
(I had a very similar set-up to you before Xmas - only mine was the original Rebel, with kit lens, 28-105 and 100-300)


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Jan 12, 2009 22:13 |  #15

highv0lt6ge wrote in post #7063954 (external link)
What should I really look for in used camera equipment? I'm paranoid when it comes to buying expensive things used. Maybe it comes from being spoiled younger in life, but lack of warranties, etc., make me more than a little nervous.

The warranty is only a year, right? If electronics are going to fail, they've likely already done it in that year. If the shutter is going to fail, you're going to replace that anyway if you're a heavy user of the camera, and it isn't that expensive. There is just so much value in the previous generation of cameras right now that buying used, if budget is a consideration, makes sense.

You can also buy used from one of the larger online retailers, Adorama, B&H, or KEH.com, and you can purchase aftermarket warranties with it if you like.


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