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New 1D3 and 24/1.4L - not happy with IQ

 
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Jan 13, 2009 03:35 |  #1

I picked up a new 1D3 10 days ago and received a new 24/1.4L in the post yesterday. The date code for the lens indicates it was manufactured over a year ago, so I'm not sure where it's been all this time.

Anyway, my initial test was just to poke the lens at things in the garden and fire off some random shots to see how sharp my wonderful new "L" prime was. The IQ was appaling - just rubbish. I've had a go at fiddling around with microfocus adjustment but I feel I'm getting nowhere. Sometimes, especially very close up (18" or less), it seems like maybe +5 will do the trick, but even moving to only 3' away it seems like I need +20 or maybe even more.

Test calibration, adjusting MFA by just +1 from one shot to the next yields an inconsistency in results that I find alarming. The softness in the images doesn't even look like regular poor focus, there is some unpleasant roughness to the poor IQ, but it varies at random. It looks like it might be camera shake, but at 1/1000?

I've uploaded an ALBUM (external link)of 100% centre crops with microfocus adjustment from +10 to +20. I'd be grateful for any opinions on the IQ. These were shot raw and cropped and converted to JPEG in DPP with standard picture style and sharpening set to 3. Apart from click WB there are no other edits. EXIF is....

24mm, f/1.4, 1/1000, 400 ISO.

Here's the setup. I know the tripod is not 100% rock solid, given that one leg is on carpet, but I think that with a shutter speed of 1/1000 the setup is more than adequate. I didn't use MLU or a remote/timer release, but quite honestly, if that's what it takes in order to get a sharp image at 24mm and 1/1000 then you can kiss goodbye to handheld photography.

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Sample image at +13 on the MFA. Focus was with centre point only and no expansion points and centred over the 24 and the L ...

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Same again at +14. How can this one be so good, while far from great, when the previous one is so dire?

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I originally bought a 28/1.8 but thought the softness was abysmal at apertures wider than f/2.5, so I laid out the extra cash for the 24/1.4L. What I am seeing with these images, despite constant lighting and a consistent exposure (EXIF) that the image brightness is altering from one shot to the next and sometimes there are strong signs of flare/CA and decreased contrast.

Look at the contrast difference between these two images, the first at +17 MFA and the second at +18 MFA. The latter image is terrible....

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Could there be something loose in the lens that is making results so variable? I'm not sure whether to return it or send it to Canon, but I'm not happy with this performance at all.

I guess I need to perform a similar test with other lenses and bodies, to see if I can nail the culprit, but this sure looks like a major lens issue to me. Thoughts?



  
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Jan 13, 2009 03:57 |  #2

does the rear element look correctly fitted or a bit sloppy?


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Jan 13, 2009 06:30 |  #3

I haven't prodded the element and the mount appears to be screwed down properly, but there is something moving around in there. I can hear it and feel the inertia of whatever it is. Given there is no wobbly IS mechanism to move I would expect everything to be snug as a bug and all that, but clearly that is not the case.

I've got a strong feeling this will need to go back for replacement by the shop. They actually told me that it was a brand new lens, received from Canon the same day they shipped it to me, yet it has two price stickers on the box, neither of which bear any relation to the price I paid. I'm also very suspicious about the UV11 date code (November 2007) for a lens allegedly received brand new from Canon in January 2009. Is it realistic that Canon UK could ship a lens that was manufactured over a year ago? Would Canon really keep a lens like that, or any other, in storage for a year? Something smells not quite right with this lens.




  
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Jan 13, 2009 07:01 |  #4

I'd be a tad worried about a UV date code new lens. Like you said, it's probably been sitting around somewhere, or, someone purchased it and returned it, and it made it back into stock.

I'd try another copy.


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Jan 13, 2009 07:09 |  #5

I just tried a few more "real world" focus tests outside and the results were an unmitigated disaster. This was with MFA = +17, which seems as good a setting as any with this lens. I've added the examples to the album but here are some favourite picks. The focus point should be whatever you see in the centre of the crop...

I've no idea where the sharp point ended up on this one - nothing was sharp....

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Severely front focused, by several feet....
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Back focused by a few inches, and just look at the PF....
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Jan 13, 2009 07:19 as a reply to  @ tdodd's post |  #6

sending PM


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Jan 13, 2009 07:21 |  #7

Since it's brand new; it's definitely up for replacement.


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Jan 13, 2009 07:23 |  #8

Did you have some kind of filter atached to the lens?




  
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Jan 13, 2009 07:30 |  #9

jmagdiel wrote in post #7066093 (external link)
Did you have some kind of filter atached to the lens?

No, I don't do filters, other than a CPL when necessary. I've just run off some similar "real world" tests with the lens on my 50D and MFA set to 0. Once again the results are shambolic. The lens is going back, no question.

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Thanks to those who contributed. :)



  
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Jan 13, 2009 07:35 |  #10

Yep, that's pretty horrible. Send it back


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Jan 13, 2009 07:41 |  #11

oh my.


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Jan 13, 2009 08:03 |  #12

tdodd wrote in post #7065895 (external link)
Can anyone else with a 24/1.4L MK I comment on whether the lens should give a soft rattle when shaken gently?

Mine does that too. Checking your test shots theres certainly something fishy going on.

Here's a quick test on FF from 70cm (2' 4"). I dont know if it's a sharp copy or not, but works for me. It's 10 years old.

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Jan 13, 2009 08:14 |  #13

Shuko wrote in post #7066259 (external link)
Mine does that too. Checking your test shots theres certainly something fishy going on.

Here's a quick test on FF from 70cm (2' 4"). I dont know if it's a sharp copy or not, but works for me. It's 10 years old.

Thanks for posting. It's impossible to comment on sharpness without knowing your exact workflow. That's why I was clear to state that my images were shot raw and cropped/converted in DPP using sharpening = 3.

To my eyes your image looks softer than I'd be happy with, but has it been sharpened at all or is that from an unsharpened raw original?




  
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Jan 13, 2009 08:18 |  #14

tdodd wrote in post #7066302 (external link)
or is that from an unsharpened raw original?

Yep, just opened raw with Lightroom, exported without sharpening to CS4 where I copy-paste-cropped and resized. Saved without any sharpening at all.


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Jan 13, 2009 08:20 |  #15

Shuko wrote in post #7066321 (external link)
Yep, just opened raw with Lightroom, exported without sharpening to CS4 where I copy-paste-cropped and resized. Saved without any sharpening at all.

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