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Jan 16, 2009 14:13 |  #1

A very good friend of the family asked if I could take pictures at his Mothers B-Day. I told him yes. The only problem is I'm new to shooting a 1D and I just got my 580EX Flash today. Now I know how to set everything Manually and use the flash more or less. I'm not that N00b. But since this is a party he wants me to just shoot candid moments here and there so my DISTANCE between subjects will be changing. I'm used to posed shots where I can set everything manually. Since this will be indoors should I just set my Camera to M and a high ISO for ambient lighting. Should I set the camerea to something like F2.8 and 1/60 and ISO 800? and let the flash do the rest? Or should I just Set cam to P and bounce off ceilings since it will be indoors in a house with a ceiling around 10-12 ft.


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Jan 16, 2009 14:22 |  #2

Set the camera to 1/250... pick an aperture and set the flash to ETTL. Bounce it, you'll be impressed with the output. You might have to do some +- FEC compensating but once dialed in, usually doesn't have to be changed.

EDIT: I forgot ISO 200, higher if you really need it.


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Jan 16, 2009 14:28 |  #3

My favorite setting for indoor bounce shot is f4-5.6, 1/30 to 1/125 depends on how much ambient is needed, iso 400. Camera always in M, flash in ETTL with +2/3 FEC and bounce.


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Jan 16, 2009 14:44 |  #4

I am going to be doing same tomorrow and also for the very first time. I agree with Lotto about the ss.

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Jan 16, 2009 15:04 |  #5

I don't think 1/250 would be necessary unless you're really expecting his mother to be running around! I also wouldn't use f2.8 - just too shallow a DOF and risk too many OOF shots. I'd shoot in M mode at 1/125 and f5.6 -f6.3 and ISO 400 (as a nice compromise), bounce the flash and let it do the rest.


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Jan 16, 2009 15:04 |  #6

I have some warming gels but hardly use them. I like the flashed subject against warmer background, kind of preserve the natural mood. If the ceiling is low enough, I can always turn up the shutter speed and blast the BG too.


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Jan 16, 2009 15:05 |  #7

Oh, and make sure the flash is set to ETTL mode...


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Jan 16, 2009 15:27 |  #8

sdipirro wrote in post #7091216 (external link)
I don't think 1/250 would be necessary unless you're really expecting his mother to be running around!

I think the reason he suggested 1/250 is so the flash doesn't work as hard/quicker recharge not to stop motion ;)

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Jan 16, 2009 15:34 |  #9

Oh, and 250th knocks out the ambient light - from the strobist.

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Jan 16, 2009 15:42 |  #10

dan j wrote in post #7091339 (external link)
I think the reason he suggested 1/250 is so the flash doesn't work as hard/quicker recharge not to stop motion ;)

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Why would ss effect flash power?


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Jan 16, 2009 15:51 |  #11

bohdank wrote in post #7090946 (external link)
Set the camera to 1/250... pick an aperture and set the flash to ETTL. Bounce it, you'll be impressed with the output. You might have to do some +- FEC compensating but once dialed in, usually doesn't have to be changed.

EDIT: I forgot ISO 200, higher if you really need it.

Why such a high shutter speed? You will kill all the ambient light. (woops just saw the rest of the replies :) )


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Jan 16, 2009 15:51 |  #12

What is SS?


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Jan 16, 2009 15:54 |  #13

EOS_JD wrote in post #7091497 (external link)
Why such a high shutter speed? You will kill all the ambient light.

If you're bouncing, that will effectively wipe out most of the ambient light, anyway. I hate blurry pictures, hence the higher ss/lower ambient light. Also makes WB easier.


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Jan 16, 2009 16:00 |  #14

bobbyz wrote in post #7091444 (external link)
Why would ss effect flash power?

I'll guess that it's because the ETTL flash duration somewhat matches the SS.

Here's a link to the strobists blog. http://strobist.blogsp​ot.com …-balancing-flash-and.html (external link)

The 13th paragraph talks about how 250th is good for recharge and batteries. I've read it other places too, but I don't have time to look it up.

dan <---- not a flash expert - obviously ;)


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Jan 16, 2009 16:06 |  #15

As far as I was aware only the aperture affects flash power. SS Only affects the ambient light which is what the above example provides - a drop of 2 stops of ambient light. Not sure though why this would mean faster recycling though? Maybe someone who knows more can answer that one :)


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