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I'm Selling My 5D Mark II

 
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Jan 20, 2009 02:45 |  #211

AndreaBFS wrote in post #7115455 (external link)
I think it's kind of crazy that anyone would buy a new body thinking they were going to get better pictures automatically just.like.magic. Isn't that the whole issue? If a person buys a 5D Mk II and thinks, "this thing is going to make my photos look SOO much better" then they aren't buying it for the right reasons in the first place. I'm not surprised that someone who entered into that transaction with that frame of mind is selling after a week.

This is a very common theme here. I see people who keep upgrading and upgrading and then wondering why their images aren't great. Many of them don't know about toggling focus points or how their meter works, but they have the best money can buy and will defend their right to have it, and of course they have that right... but it's a shame seeing people think that a better body will simply automatically exponentially improve their across the board results but they haven't given much thought to actually SHOOTING.

They wonder if the problem is with the body or with the lens. They upgrade again and they still get the same results... upgrade glass, same results... blame the gear some more and then upgrade again. Frankly, I'm surprised they have so much time to do online shopping in between the constant posting in threads trying to justify the idea that better gear makes you a better photographer and trying to figure out why they can't get a sharp, well exposed photo to save their heavily indebted lives.

It's maddening to watch, which is why I never come to the gear forums... except for tonight when I hit "New Posts" for the first time in months.

Hell for the price tag, it better improve my images somehow. I mean, that's the whole point of upgrading from anything.

It's not unrealistic to plunk down $2700+ on a camera and expect it to be better in some meaningful way than the $800 camera that's already in the bag. Especially after all the hype.


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Jan 20, 2009 02:54 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #212

well people have posted 1ds mkIII photos and you wouldnt be able to tell if it was taken with a 1ds mkIII or a 40d, In the Right Circumstances the 5d mkII will give you a better quality shot BUT people looking at the shot wont know what lighting you had in that situation and will think it was enough to get the qaulity of shot you took when in reality taking the same shot with a 40d etc you would have more noise, from the examples ive seen the 5d mkII has substantial image quality improvements then my 5d.


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Jan 20, 2009 02:59 |  #213

AndreaBFS wrote in post #7115455 (external link)
I think it's kind of crazy that anyone would buy a new body thinking they were going to get better pictures automatically just.like.magic. Isn't that the whole issue? If a person buys a 5D Mk II and thinks, "this thing is going to make my photos look SOO much better" then they aren't buying it for the right reasons in the first place. I'm not surprised that someone who entered into that transaction with that frame of mind is selling after a week.

This is a very common theme here. I see people who keep upgrading and upgrading and then wondering why their images aren't great. Many of them don't know about toggling focus points or how their meter works, but they have the best money can buy and will defend their right to have it, and of course they have that right... but it's a shame seeing people think that a better body will simply automatically exponentially improve their across the board results but they haven't given much thought to actually SHOOTING.

They wonder if the problem is with the body or with the lens. They upgrade again and they still get the same results... upgrade glass, same results... blame the gear some more and then upgrade again. Frankly, I'm surprised they have so much time to do online shopping in between the constant posting in threads trying to justify the idea that better gear makes you a better photographer and trying to figure out why they can't get a sharp, well exposed photo to save their heavily indebted lives.

It's maddening to watch, which is why I never come to the gear forums... except for tonight when I hit "New Posts" for the first time in months.

well thanx for dropping in and sharing your disdain for the process of gear selection and those of us who participate in it.

mighty kind of you :D.

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Jan 20, 2009 03:23 |  #214

just a thought, but if anybody has loads of dosh and has brought a 5dmk11 and doesn't like it, and is feeling generous, then please pm me, thanks. I'd just like to try this test myself thats all.



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Jan 20, 2009 03:28 |  #215

harroz wrote in post #7115724 (external link)
just a thought, but if anybody has loads of dosh and has brought a 5dmk11 and doesn't like it, and is feeling generous, then please pm me, thanks. I'd just like to try this test myself thats all.

Get in the queue Mr Harris. ;)

PS - I have one in currently if you want it? :p


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Jan 20, 2009 03:36 |  #216
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harroz wrote in post #7115724 (external link)
just a thought, but if anybody has loads of dosh and has brought a 5dmk11 and doesn't like it, and is feeling generous, then please pm me, thanks. I'd just like to try this test myself thats all.

4000$ and it's yours.


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Jan 20, 2009 03:38 |  #217

is that NZD?

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4000$ and it's yours.



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Jan 20, 2009 03:43 |  #218

Kajuah wrote in post #7115549 (external link)
I still say you have to be an idiot not to see the IQ jump.

I bet by saying that I'm going to get flamed a thousand times over and it will probably make this thread 10 pages longer, but it's what I notice in comparison.

Why not post some side-by-side equivalent settings (no PP) shots to prove your assertion? I did; and I invited the forum to pick the 5d2. I didn't see you hazarding a guess. In fact very few even tried (probably so they wouldn't look foolish if wrong) But only about 1/2 of the guesses were correct. Same as random chance.


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Jan 20, 2009 05:26 as a reply to  @ SwingBopper's post |  #219

There are those who buy a better camera because they want to be a better photographer

There are those who buy a better camera because they are already better photographers


..and then there are those who just buy cameras


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Jan 20, 2009 05:33 |  #220

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There are those who buy a better camera because they want to be a better photographer

There are those who buy a better camera because they are already better photographers

..and then there are those who just buy cameras

So....... which one are you? ;)

I am guilty of a little of each:D


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Jan 20, 2009 05:35 |  #221

arthurgoh wrote in post #7115991 (external link)
There are those who buy a better camera because they want to be a better photographer

There are those who buy a better camera because they are already better photographers


..and then there are those who just buy cameras

im a compulsive shopper


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Jan 20, 2009 05:44 |  #222

rickyste wrote in post #7111547 (external link)
$2,000.00 difference? you tell me.

I cant, they are both soft and the colour balance is all to cock.

Were they both taken by the same person ?


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Jan 20, 2009 05:45 |  #223

Maureen Souza wrote in post #7116005 (external link)
So....... which one are you? ;)

I am guilty of a little of each:D

Considering the little amount of time I spend shooting because work has me stuck by the desk, probably the last group...sigh :neutral:


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Jan 20, 2009 05:46 |  #224

rickyste wrote in post #7111226 (external link)
On top of that, when I shoot any kind of video inside my house it jacks the ISO up to 3200 or above - yes, the lighting in my house isn't great, but this camera should handle low light without any problems, right? - and I get all kinds of noise throughout the image..

That's how a camera properly handles low light without any problems. If it didn't do this, your image would be black. :rolleyes:


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Jan 20, 2009 06:32 |  #225

The very latest crop of FF bodies from Sony, Nikon and Canon are amazing tools. I think we are jaded by all the rapid advancements in technology that have occurred in the field of digital photography and many don't realise how incredible they are.

In a recent best of the best, real-world review on Luminous Landscapes, the 5DmkII equalled the $8000+ new Nikon D3x, so the 5DmkII is incredible value for money at 1/3 the cost. I do not own a mkII but do have a 5DmkI and the IQ out of the camera is far superior to anything my 40D and 50D produce. Perhaps the mkII does not perform as well as the mkI but I personally find that very hard to believe.

My advice would be to stick with the mkII. Selling a 1 week old camera is a good move only for people who like burning money. I am positive you will regret the move if you do sell.


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