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Jan 24, 2009 18:54 |  #1

I went to a fireman recruits family day ceremony last night. I have some pictures I need suggestions on how to fix. I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to fix the green light that shows up in the pictures. I'd also appreciate any ideas as to how they appeared in the first place.


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Jan 24, 2009 19:25 |  #2

Looks like lens flair / reflections off of the bright spots in a dark picture. Were you using a filter?

You should be able to clone them out in any post processing software.


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Jan 24, 2009 19:55 |  #3

ssracer wrote in post #7179892 (external link)
Looks like lens flair / reflections off of the bright spots in a dark picture. Were you using a filter?

You should be able to clone them out in any post processing software.

Yes, I did have a uv filter. Is that what caused it?


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Jan 24, 2009 20:01 as a reply to  @ dcsmith40D's post |  #4

It's ghosting, without a doubt. The same type discussed at length in this thread: https://photography-on-the.net …018&highlight=f​lare+ghost




  
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Jan 24, 2009 21:15 |  #5

I had a similar issue with my light box when using a cheap UV filter. After removing it the issue was gone.


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Jan 24, 2009 21:17 |  #6

You caught ghost plasma/mist!!! Someone haunts that ladder.

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Jan 24, 2009 22:26 as a reply to  @ _aravena's post |  #7

I do see that, in this particular case, your ghost are inverted/rotated 180°. This is a function of the particular optics involved in producing them.

Just out of curiosity, which body & lens were you using?




  
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Jan 24, 2009 23:03 |  #8

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I do see that, in this particular case, your ghost are inverted/rotated 180°. This is a function of the particular optics involved in producing them.

Just out of curiosity, which body & lens were you using?

40D & 70-200 2.8 IS

I had a couple with the same body and 50 1.8.

Both with their respective uv filter.

Is there a rule of thumb that the uv filters should be taken off at night?

I mostly use them to protect against accidental scractching the lenses, more so on the 70-200.


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Jan 24, 2009 23:11 |  #9

20droger wrote in post #7180814 (external link)
I do see that, in this particular case, your ghost are inverted/rotated 180°. This is a function of the particular optics involved in producing them.

Just out of curiosity, which body & lens were you using?

When you wrote rotated 180 degrees, I wonder with respect to what was in rotated?


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Jan 25, 2009 08:56 |  #10

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When you wrote rotated 180 degrees, I wonder with respect to what was in rotated?

With respect to the bright parts that produced the ghosts. If you look at the second picture (single firefighter on ladder) the ghosts of the lower leg tape is above his head, while the ghosts of his jacket tape is below his belt line. Also, the ghosts are flipped both top-to-bottom and left-to right (look at the angles involved), which is equivalent to a 180° rotation.

Since most ghosts are not flipped at all, I just find this double flip an interesting effect. It has to be a property of the 70-200 2.8 IS used.

And to the OP: yes, you should definitely remove UV filters at night. Doing so may solve your ghost problem completely.

Like you, I was of the "filters for protection" mindset. However, experience has taught me that a good lens hood offers much more protection than a filter ever would, without introducing any optical problems.

EXCEPTION! Always use a filter when shooting in very windy conditions, as blowing grit or ice can and will scratch the coatings on the front lens element. But that's in very windy conditions, a breeze causes no problems.

Naturally, you should always blow off the surface of the lens before using either a brush or cloth to clean it. And use a Rocket blower or equivalent, never your mouth! The moisture in your breath can make grit adhere to the surface of the lens.




  
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Jan 25, 2009 11:19 |  #11

Yep i would go aong with removing the filter at night.
I had had similar issues that do not show once the filter is removed.


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Jan 25, 2009 11:26 |  #12

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Yep i would go aong with removing the filter at night.

Of course, exactly the same reflections will happen under all circumstances, it's just that they are more obvious in night shots. If the shot had been taken in daylight then those same reflections (and, undoubtedly, many others) would have been present, reducing the contrast of the image.


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