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Mar 25, 2005 14:00 |  #1

Hi guys,

I just purchased a Hoya Super HMC UV(0) 77 mm filter for my 17-40L and was wondering if the protruding lens element in the front of the 17-40L will hit the filter? Anyone using this filter on a 17-40L? I can't quite make it out, and I am afraid to scratch the front element.

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Mar 25, 2005 14:11 |  #2

in the B&H accessories they list a Canon "sharp cut" (which I bought) or a "thin" version from Hoya or someone else. I guess that it is an issue but not having bought a regular one I couldn't say whether it will hit the lens. Must be a close call.


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Mar 25, 2005 14:15 as a reply to  @ glangston's post |  #3

I am using a Hoya Super HMC Pro-1 on the 17-40L with no issues.


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Mar 25, 2005 14:17 |  #4

It seems very close but not actually touching...I tried putting a small piece of paper confetti to see if it will move around, but I couldn't get that to work right.

The front element does not rotate, but I don't want to ever have the filter to eventually scratch the front element.




  
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Mar 25, 2005 14:24 as a reply to  @ Cadwell's post |  #5

Cadwell wrote:
I am using a Hoya Super HMC Pro-1 on the 17-40L with no issues.

Is the Pro-1 the slimmer profiled one? My filter's body is about 5 mm thick.




  
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Mar 25, 2005 15:15 as a reply to  @ pradeep1's post |  #6

I can't find the tape measure but according to the box the PRO-1 has "super slim 1mm glass and 3mm ring with front thread".


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Mar 25, 2005 15:22 |  #7

With filters very close to the front element you can get the "Newton Ring" effect of concentric circles. They tend to show up in bright or dark areas. You have to be very careful which filter you pick to go with this lens.


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Mar 25, 2005 16:17 |  #8

I have the same filter. I fits OK on that lens. However, do you notice any "smearing" on the inside surface when you clean it? I have a real problem with that particular filter and am about to send to Hoya and ask for a replacemnent. They did not respond to an e-mail


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Mar 25, 2005 17:00 |  #9

I have the Hoya S-HMC UV(0) on my 17-40. It really does look like the front element will hit, but it doesn't.


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Mar 25, 2005 17:12 as a reply to  @ MarkoPolo's post |  #10

MarkoPolo wrote:
I have the same filter. I fits OK on that lens. However, do you notice any "smearing" on the inside surface when you clean it? I have a real problem with that particular filter and am about to send to Hoya and ask for a replacemnent. They did not respond to an e-mail

Yeah, you can get smearing, especially if you nick it with something made of protein (ie fingernails). My lenspen doohickey can remove the smears though, so you may want to try that.




  
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Mar 25, 2005 17:13 as a reply to  @ KennyG's post |  #11

KennyG wrote:
With filters very close to the front element you can get the "Newton Ring" effect of concentric circles. They tend to show up in bright or dark areas. You have to be very careful which filter you pick to go with this lens.

Can you show us an example of the Newton Rings?




  
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Mar 25, 2005 17:16 as a reply to  @ slin100's post |  #12

slin100 wrote:
I have the Hoya S-HMC UV(0) on my 17-40. It really does look like the front element will hit, but it doesn't.

Thanks for the info. I figured that Canon would not design it to hit filters, since filters are commonly used, but I had to make sure.




  
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Mar 25, 2005 20:28 as a reply to  @ pradeep1's post |  #13

If Canon didn't want you putting filters on the front of the lens, then they wouldn't have put any filter screw threads on it.

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Mar 26, 2005 00:15 as a reply to  @ robertwgross's post |  #14

robertwgross wrote:
If Canon didn't want you putting filters on the front of the lens, then they wouldn't have put any filter screw threads on it.

---Bob Gross---

Your sublime wisdom knows no bounds.  :p :D :p ;)

I am not a paranoid type, but for some reason I felt maybe that I was overlooking something obvious. The 17-40L is my first L glass.

I thank you all for your help. :)




  
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Mar 26, 2005 01:40 |  #15

Here is a Newton Ring sample I tracked down: http://www.kmaisch.com …scapes/maria_st​ars?full=1 (external link)

You can see the effect just above and to the left of the house.

For an explanation of the effect, read this: http://www.fas.harvard​.edu …nsRings/Newtons​Rings.html (external link)


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