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Feb 16, 2009 15:35 |  #1

I started this topic as it seems that Canon has offered to us a product that is not as tightly controlled as it has been in the past.

I would like to say that the following is my opinion based ONLY on my VERY limited direct observations and the conclusions drawn from reading nearly all I can here and on other sites. I take info gained from Internet sites with a huge grain of salt but trends are often easily seen so overall it has some bearing on this discussion.

I am the proud, early on, owner of a 50D and a 4yr+ owner of a 20D.

I took the better part of a day to test my 3 lenses to see if I could be benefited by dialing them in on the 50D using the micro adjustment tool on the 50D.

I found that all 3 needed adjustment on the 50D and all 3 were spot-on, on the 20D. This lead me to conclude that 4+ years ago Canon needed to be tight as far as AF adjustment from the factory but since they added Micro Adjustment they could loosen up a bit and let us do their work for them.

Thankfully these 3 lenses could be dialed in perfectly so I am so glad that there is MA on the 50D body and will never buy another body without it.

Folks are also reading about the black dots issue 5D2 and after a lot of whining Canon seems to have fixed it. Canon IMO had to have seen this as the pics on their own site had it for all to see. Now there are folks having to deal with water damage even when using Kata covers water protection. Canon is playing hard ball on their warranty and IMO this is just not acceptable.

It is always true that any model when released will have some teething pains and we are, all too often the paid on our own dime, BETA testers.

However, Canon IMO is not doing the fine level of QC that they have done in the past. The MKIII focusing issue is another example. There are other examples out there as well and I could care less about other brands as I shoot Canon so they get my comments/attention.

I know the the early grip for the 20D sucked as I have one but never sent it in. Since it added so much weight which I did not like I will not use one ever again. I like to keep the weight in the lens if at all.

So here is the opportunity to add your thoughts too. I hope Canon is reading here as they have done so many things right. The one thing they cannot afford to do IMO is shove stuff out the door and leave it up to us to catch it and or force them to own up and fix it. This stuff is far to costly to have to second guess every purchase. Other brands have caught up and or passed Canon in some areas. Canon cannot afford to rest on their Laurels.

OT but worth mentioning, Canon should offer their 45 point AF and full weather sealing in the 5dMKIII and it should have been in the MKII.

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The 45 point AF should have been on the 50D too.

I for one will never own a EOS1 type body as IMO they are too costly but even more importantly too heavy.


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Feb 16, 2009 15:37 |  #2

AllenF wrote in post #7338376 (external link)
The 45 point AF should have been on the 50D too.

I for one will never own a EOS1 type body as IMO they are too costly but even more importantly too heavy.

your grievances have been noted




  
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Feb 16, 2009 16:28 |  #3

Perhaps the reason your lenses were spot on for your 20D is because it did not have the resolution to make a difference?

In regards to QC the more complex a system, the more can go wrong, and exponentially so. No software is released without bugs. Not making an excuse for them, just an explanation.

Agree about AF and weather seal though. That is annoying.




  
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Feb 16, 2009 16:42 |  #4

How much ajustement did you need? Was it the same for all lenses?


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Feb 16, 2009 16:47 |  #5

On my 50D the kit lens was spot on.

My 24-70 f/2.8L required one click of adjustment to bring it into line.

My 70-200 f/2.8 IS was spot on.

Just a FYI...




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Feb 16, 2009 17:00 |  #6

The Nikon folk complain just as much about QC. At least you don't own any f***ing Sigmas :lol:.


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Feb 16, 2009 17:25 as a reply to  @ Perry Ge's post |  #7

I agree on a lot of this

I also feel that their build quality is frankly gone to **** when it comes to their optics, the glass is good, but the build is very fisher price feeling...even the 17-55 f/2.8 IS is that way and thats a $1,000 lens!

Their lens updating as of late seems to be crap, people can **** at Nikon for giving you 20 versions of 18-xxx lenses, but they also give you the 14-24 and the new AF-S 35mm f/1.8 [With a rumor of a FULL FRAME 10-18 f/4 o_o]

Last year what did we get for NEW lenses? the 200 f/2L, 800 f/5.6L and then the 18-55 and 55-250 IS....Ok..thats fair..but....wheres something between Fisher Price city and Second Mortgageville???

Sure we have the 50D and the 5DMk2 but they're struggling along with antique AF that was surpassed in the film era by the EOS-3! the 5D occupies the same market segment as the 5D so why does it have the same basic AF system that the 50D has?!

Why do we get stuck with a 9-point AF when Sony and Nikon give their users anywhere from 11-51!!!? Why Canon WHY when you built your NAME in FAST ACCURATE AUTOFOCUS with fast USM driven lenses do you let it be tarnished in the midrange by Nikon and Sony?!

The 50Ds burst mode still pales to the D300! the D300 and even the a700 can sit there and outrun the 40D and 50D in sustained burst operations from the spec sheets [They have larger buffers and a faster processor] Granted, the 50D is a 15 megapixel camera and the other two are not..but still..

Nikon gives you built in wireless flash capability, Canon makes you buy a 580EXII or the ST-E2 to get this capability

Nikon, Sony, Sigma, Tamron and Tokina all provide lens hoods with their lenses, even the non pro ones, Why does Canon hit me with another $50 for it?

You know what I've thought as late? Canon cares about getting the customer who will buy a Rebel and the 2 kit lenses and their Pros, but not about their serious amateurs who want lenses between the two extremes of the market...

I also think a lot of these "crippling" decisions in the marketplace have to do with Canon wanting to FORCE people into the 1D series, for some reason, which is sad, Nikon and Sony do not feel such a decision is necessary, so why does Canon?


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Feb 16, 2009 17:31 |  #8

Kruzkal wrote in post #7338728 (external link)
Perhaps the reason your lenses were spot on for your 20D is because it did not have the resolution to make a difference?

In regards to QC the more complex a system, the more can go wrong, and exponentially so. No software is released without bugs. Not making an excuse for them, just an explanation.

Agree about AF and weather seal though. That is annoying.

Resolution is not a determining factor in this case as the 20D is plenty resolving for the task at hand. What I mean is it was ever so easy to see that the lens was focusing squarely in the center of the target.


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Feb 16, 2009 17:38 |  #9

Kenji, Nikon doesn't supply hoods with all their lenses...more so than Canon yes, but not all.


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Feb 16, 2009 17:43 |  #10

Kruzkal wrote in post #7338728 (external link)
Perhaps the reason your lenses were spot on for your 20D is because it did not have the resolution to make a difference?

sorry double post


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Feb 16, 2009 17:45 |  #11

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Nikon, Sony, Sigma, Tamron and Tokina all provide lens hoods with their lenses, even the non pro ones, Why does Canon hit me with another $50 for it

:confused: I don't appear to have been charged any extra for plastic hoods on my glass; they appear to bit's of plastic that come with the models, and fit

I may be missing something :rolleyes:


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Feb 16, 2009 17:47 |  #12

Jahled wrote in post #7339161 (external link)
:confused: I don't appear to have been charged any extra for plastic hoods on my glass; they appear to bit's of plastic that come with the models, and fit

I may be missing something :rolleyes:

The L glass comes with hoods true, but the non-L does not, you have exclusively L glass

I should have been more specific about that I guess

And Nikon includes it with most of their midrange glass, I think theres very few they dont include a hood with...


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Feb 16, 2009 17:48 |  #13

Well its all about rushing to the market nowadays. With that comes a lot less quality checks. If they dont get it out, all the research is out the window anyway. A small problem like the black dots is easily fixed with a firmware update. In todays technology it readily acceptable. Obviously 10 years ago they could not release a product as the owner could not fix it. Nowadays we are all used to bug fixes etc... the world is not perfect, but im still happy ive got a mac, it could have been a pc....:)


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Feb 16, 2009 17:52 |  #14

KenjiS wrote in post #7339169 (external link)
The L glass comes with hoods true, but the non-L does not, you have exclusively L glass

I should have been more specific about that I guess

And Nikon includes it with most of their midrange glass, I think theres very few they dont include a hood with...

Oops! :oops:

I happen to know as a non-plastic expert, bits of plastic don't really warrant $50 price tags; that's simply ridiculous, Canon are being daft


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Feb 16, 2009 17:55 |  #15

Canon sucks. Just sell your stuff and go shoot Olympus.


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