OMG 1Ds MK3 hit the concrete

I hope that this lady in the restaurant is not another Nikon jealousy photographer, so it was really a best opportunity for her to smack down the top expensive Canon DSLR, BY ACCIDENT, YAY.

alt4852 wrote in post #7404093
OP quote: "Apparently a lady was walking past his table and her handbag caught on the 1Ds MK3's neck-strap and accidently yanked it down."

i didn't know having something caught on a strap implied that the strap was hanging over the edge.

Exactly.


In my experience, women have almost no regard to where their purse is. Its the same with students and backpacks. If its behind you, it tends to be out of mind.

Now, we don't know exactly what happened, but in my oppinion, if you break someone's stuff, its your responsibility to fix it. Whether or not you intended to break it.

Considering how much debate is going on about this incident... I can imagine a small claims court judge dismissing the case and telling the parties to go home.

AzzKicker wrote in post #7404316
Well in cases like this you have use a BRAIN. For instance, if the strap was laying on table flat, the lady would have had to DRAG her purse across the actual table. Highly doubt that took place, considering the height of the average lady, and the way they walk carrying a purse. A neckstrap hanging over the table makes more sense and would explain how the BAG easily grabbed on to the strap pulling it down.

actually, no. by doubting that took place, you're making an assumption and therefore leaving the realm of the stated facts. neither one of us witnessed this, therefore we can't make assumptions like that especially since they are not implied by common sense. you don't know how tall she is, and i know plenty of women who carry large purses and tote bags who have little concern for where it swings. a large number of women carry purses which sit near their armpit yet we don't assume that she was three feet tall in order to snag a strap hanging off a table (which we also don't know the height of but certainly average around waist level for most people which can imply a larger bag that hangs that low.)

however, we're not here to play detective. we're working only on the facts from a witness of the event and by using our BRAINS we can safely agree that we can't assume anything. i also think it's funny that you assumed that the bag easily grabbed the strap and pulled it down. it couldn't have been a freak accident and occurred under the premise of uncommon circumstances?

the point i'm trying to make is that none of the consequential musings that we may have play any factor in the discussion at hand here. we're just having a conversation about liability and responsibility, not the estimated height of the lady, average hair color, or her grandmother's middle name.

Synovia wrote in post #7404407
Exactly.


In my experience, women have almost no regard to where their purse is. Its the same with students and backpacks. If its behind you, it tends to be out of mind.

Now, we don't know exactly what happened, but in my oppinion, if you break someone's stuff, its your responsibility to fix it. Whether or not you intended to break it.

this is the principle that i've been interested in discussing. everyone is up in arms against how horrible our society has become that we aim to sue each other, but isn't it more of a tragedy that people break things and take no initiative to offer some sort of recourse?

Well, sadly you have a good point there, but then you also have to consider that she may have had the fear of doing so because she knew that people can sue over the smallest things, just like everyone else knows. You're right, it's sad that our society doesn't offer help, but it seems like we're punished even when we do.

neil_r wrote in post #7394418
This is very much a sit down with popcorn and enjoy thread, but just so that there is at least one lesson learned here let me point out that Gears is not the plural of gear unless you are talking about toothed wheels that transfer drive.

The plural for gear in relation to equipment is gear.

Great....now I've got butter all over the keyboard!

xarqi wrote in post #7397677
So, I did some research, and apparently this situation is covered by a legal ruling that dates back to Rome and is known as stercus accidit.

That's funny right there. I don't care who you are, that's funny!

ben805 wrote in post #7382053
When accident like this happen, can you sue the person who damaged your gear or demand them to pay for the repair?

In small claims court you can sue anybody for anything, if judge judy is any example of what a court is.

And you can demand them to pay for repair as well.

FretNoMore wrote in post #7402832
What has the value got to do with anything? How is it more OK to break someone's point-and-shoot and walk away without taking responsibility than if it is a high-cost dSLR?

Is it acceptable behaviour these days to push someone's camera to the ground and just say 'Oops' and walk away?

My point was that she probably didn't realize the value of the camera.

and who said she PUSHED the camera. For all she knew (or you for that matter), the camera could have gotten knocked off the table by someone else at the table while she was walking by...

I am not defending her in any way here, but I find it hard to believe that someone is going to go after someone else and win a claim for a camera that got knocked over in a public place.

the lesson learned here is that you need to have insurance. I have my gear insured for $3000 with no deductable for anything - theft, accidental dropage, someone with a purse walking by and being clueless, etc....

jxg wrote in post #7405923
My point was that she probably didn't realize the value of the camera.

and who said she PUSHED the camera. For all she knew (or you for that matter), the camera could have gotten knocked off the table by someone else at the table while she was walking by...

I am not defending her in any way here, but I find it hard to believe that someone is going to go after someone else and win a claim for a camera that got knocked over in a public place.

the lesson learned here is that you need to have insurance. I have my gear insured for $3000 with no deductable for anything - theft, accidental dropage, someone with a purse walking by and being clueless, etc....

Sorry, but I feel the repairs should be paid by the clumsy person's insurance, not mine ...

You know who the real culprit is here; the one who should be sued?
Isaac Newton.

I think the resturant should be sued. The floor was obviously not made to take heavy expensive gear impacts well.

That's the problem, nobody thinks ahead these days. If it was 3ft deep in foam we wouldn't have had this thread.

Sheer irresponsibility... what is the world coming to?

Btw, just while we're on the subject, if I sneeze and blow the $100 of charlie piled next to me in the washroom into the lav, should that chap who owned it sue me?

Also, if a tree falls in a forest, but no-one sees or hears it, when did it fall?

And if a woodchuch could chuck wood, how far could it chuck it?

I think the bottom line is: How much protection should be afforded to idiots who a) don't look after their gear, and b) don't insure their gear?

miccullen wrote in post #7406244
I think the bottom line is: How much protection should be afforded to idiots who a) don't look after their gear, and b) don't insure their gear?

+1

SwingBopper wrote in post #7402958
Best to forget the lady and see if the Restaurant has insurance for such things, and chalk it up to experience.

So now it's the restaurants fault? Why?

blonde wrote in post #7403684
this is exactly what is wrong with the world, there is not more personal responsibility. omg, i was a moron and left my things all exposed and they are busted so instead of taking responsability,i am just going to sue somebody.

Agree totally

I think someone mentioned this already .............. why didn't the guy put his gear away when he was done shooting before going to the restaurant.
And didn't the woman say she was sorry like every is saying she didn't?

And quit comparing this incident to a auto accident. They are nowhere even close.

Lets see if I own a Rolex and go into a bathroom at a restaurant, take my watch off to wash my hands, some idiot washes his hands in the next sink, accidental knocks my watch off and breaks it ...............