OMG 1Ds MK3 hit the concrete

EVERYONE needs insurance on their gear. I think this is the lesson that we can learn from this At most, the lady who did it could pay the excess of $100 (or whatever it may be).

Learn the lesson people!

Huh
What's that supposed to mean ?
This is a camera for cryin' out loud. If I drop it in the lake, it's not going to be the end of my financial world.

Insurance is "a calculated gamble". You are gambling that you will have a loss....the insurance company is gambling that you won't. Simple as that.

All my camera gear is 'self insured'. If it falls off the table in a restaurant and goes boom....I'm willing and able to take that risk myself. Others have a 'need' to insure themselves for everything down to and including a hangnail. To each his own.

I think the lesson to be learned here is "don't set $9K worth of camera gear close to the edge of the table".

Insurance isn't that expensive...

Setting your camera down where it can be knocked over unbeknownst by a 3rd party and complaining when the worst happens is like parking your car in the middle of the street and complaining when it gets hit.

To anyone suggesting the lady has the slightest bit of fault, learn some personal responsibility and grow up. The only way the lady has any fault is if she intentionally damaged the camera. Otherwise, it is up to the owner to ensure his gear is properly stowed and secured to avoid damage in public areas.

I repeat: it is up to the owner to ensure his gear is properly stowed and secured to avoid damage in public areas.

I know my buddy bare some if not all of the responsibility for this accident, but it still doesn't change the fact that the camera did not grow a pair of legs and jumped off of the table all by itself. So, if I "accidently" chop kicked your 400 2.8 IS mounted on 1DMK3 on a tripod and your rig crash onto the ground, I get to walk away as long as I apologized right? as I can assume such big lens must have insurance coverage? well... I was just trying to rehearse some karate moves and "didn't really" see your big lens....would you let me off the hook? LOL

Insurance is peace of mind so that if someone with a weapon on the street asks for my camera, I don't have to consider the value of giving it to them or not giving it to them. Insurance means I can give it up without thinking and I can travel and go where I want with my camera. If I never left a studio, I wouldn't have it, and I never buy an extended warranty, but this is one area I'll insure.

When did he buy the camera? A number of credit cards, like AMEX and some VISAs, have some sort of accident protection feature that is automatic on purchases. You've got about 90 days IIRC from date of purchase. This is different than the extended warranty, which only covers manufacturer defects or other issues not obviously brought on by abuse, neglect, damage, etc.

Dave

ben805 wrote in post #7393795
I know my buddy bare some if not all of the responsibility for this accident, but it still doesn't change the fact that the camera did not grow a pair of legs and jumped off of the table all by itself. So, if I "accidently" chop kicked your 400 2.8 IS mounted on 1DMK3 and your rig crash onto the ground, I get to walk away as long as I apologized right? as I can assume such big lens must have insurance coverage? well... I was just trying to rehearse some karate moves and "didn't really" see your big lens....would you let me off the hook? LOL

That's even stupider than the first post, and the "sue and blackmail her" post.

ben805 wrote in post #7393795
So, if I "accidently" chop kicked your 400 2.8 IS mounted on 1DMK3 on a tripod and your rig crash onto the ground, I get to walk away as long as I apologized right?

Your use of quotes around "accidentally" implies irony. In other words, you are suggesting an intentional act, and you therefore should carry complete responsibility for the consequences, whether you apologise for being a vandal or not.

ben805 wrote in post #7393795
I know my buddy bare some if not all of the responsibility for this accident...

It's finally sinking in huh?

Nor does it change the fact that your friend left it open to being dragged off the table by a person passing by.

My guess is the 400 2.8/ 1DmkIII/ tripod combo would still be standing and you'd be the one on the ground with a broken foot. LOL

all in all - this was an accident. you can't recover always damages for accidents, especially if it's unclear who is at fault or if all parties share some fault.

you can't compare this incident to a hit and run. the difference is that there are state laws that specifically make it illegal to commit a hit and run with a motor vehicle. the reason for having these laws because liability was otherwise unenforceable when a law was not in effect. there are no hit and run statutes related to electronic equipment or other applicable personal property that i am aware of.

if the friend was to hold the woman responsible, he'd require a legal theory to support his claim. based on what i know aout this situation, i think that the best he could come up with is negligence on the part of the woman. the problem with that is that negligence requires that the woman had a duty of care. in this setting, she had none and none that she violated. she may have been careless, but that's not enough for her to be sued.

the "chop kick" analogy also fails because that shows intent. if she intended to knock the camera off the table, then this would be a different story.

if this thread continues, i'd simply like to hear for what reasons should the friend be able to get anything more than a "i'm sorry" from the woman?

ShrimpBurrito wrote in post #7393845
When did he buy the camera? A number of credit cards, like AMEX and some VISAs, have some sort of accident protection feature that is automatic on purchases. You've got about 90 days IIRC from date of purchase. This is different than the extended warranty, which only covers manufacturer defects or other issues not obviously brought on by abuse, neglect, damage, etc.

Dave

that's a good point...he bought it less than 2 weeks ago from local shop, I'll mention this to him and see if his credit card cover anything.

FZ1dave wrote in post #7394050
It's finally sinking in huh?

What is there to sink? it's not my camera.

FZ1dave wrote in post #7394050
My guess is the 400 2.8/ 1DmkIII/ tripod combo would still be standing and you'd be the one on the ground with a broken foot. LOL

Unless you have the tripod bolted down to the ground, even a 40lbs 5yr old can knocked it down by running into them....don't be stupid.

Reign wrote in post #7394148
all in all - this was an accident. you can't recover always damages for accidents, especially if it's unclear who is at fault or if all parties share some fault.

you can't compare this incident to a hit and run. the difference is that there are state laws that specifically make it illegal to commit a hit and run with a motor vehicle. the reason for having these laws because liability was otherwise unenforceable when a law was not in effect. there are no hit and run statutes related to electronic equipment or other applicable personal property that i am aware of.

if the friend was to hold the woman responsible, he'd require a legal theory to support his claim. based on what i know aout this situation, i think that the best he could come up with is negligence on the part of the woman. the problem with that is that negligence requires that the woman had a duty of care. in this setting, she had none and none that she violated. she may have been careless, but that's not enough for her to be sued.

the "chop kick" analogy also fails because that shows intent. if she intended to knock the camera off the table, then this would be a different story.

if this thread continues, i'd simply like to hear for what reasons should the friend be able to get anything more than a "i'm sorry" from the woman?

I hear ya, the bent hotshoe on the 1DsMK3 plus the front element of the 70-200 2.8 IS probably going to cost couple hundred bucks to replace and repair, I guess it could be worst if he were to accidently dropped them into the swimming pool or something.

I don't remember if it was here or from other forum but I read recently someone report something about him riding on a golf-cart, the driver (i think it was a lady) lost control and drove the damn thing into the pond in the golf course, he was all wet from waist down, all his gears (1D MK2? and some L lenses) submerged under the water for few seconds and none of his equipment survived....his posted some pictures of himself, the gears, and the golf-cart in the pond right after the accident, don't remember exactly when it happened but I wonder what was the outcome in that accident.

This is very much a sit down with popcorn and enjoy thread, but just so that there is at least one lesson learned here let me point out that Gears is not the plural of gear unless you are talking about toothed wheels that transfer drive.

The plural for gear in relation to equipment is gear.

ben805 wrote in post #7394329
Unless you have the tripod bolted down to the ground, even a 40lbs 5yr old can knocked it down by running into them....don't be stupid.

I'd guess: "not intentional irony".