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Feb 26, 2009 11:49 |  #1

You are working for a pretty decent company doing what you like and are having fun doing it. You have become their Top Salesman and have been treated by them to TWO All Expenses Paid Guided Fishing Trips to Alaska.

They have been effected by the Poor Economy to the point that they have laid off almost all of their sales staff. To the point that when you go to work in the morning the staff consists of One Cashier, One Manager and One Sales Person. This is not a small store, it is a 200' X 400' size building housing an:
1. Automotive department
2. Camping and Water Sports department
3. Clothing Department
4. Sporting Goods Department
5. Shoe Department
6. Hunting and Fishing Department
7. Ski Rental Department

Your job now is to walk the whole store and help as many customers as you can, plus you are required to go into the warehouse and bring out cartloads of freight to stock the shelves, answer phone calls, do price changes on the merchandise pegs. Straighten merchandise on the shelves, do the dusting, sweep the floors, etc.

Your job has grown immensely, along with the stress factor, but your pay rate has not grown in almost a year. Add to this information that you learned about over the weekend form an employee in another state that this company is laying off 190 people in their warehouse and corporate offices due to the loss of financing, so the company is in a bit of financial problems.

Now:

Your Son-in-law just so happens to be a department manager for a National Hardware chain in your town. That company has slightly been effected by the down turned economy, but is doing just fine. His Boss asked him the other day if he knew of anyone that was willing to work hard and that knew how to sell merchandise. That store has some people in it that do not want to work, they just want to draw wages and skate by, so a major house cleaning is going to happen.

You Son-in-law tells the Boss all about Your Sales Qualifications, that you have been Employee of the Month Several Times and that you were Top Salesman in your department two years running (out of 31 stores) and were rewarded with All Expenses Paid Fishing Trips to Alaska (a $5,000 Bonus each time).

At that time he told his boss to walk into my store and check out the way I take care of my customers without letting me know who he was. That way he could see that I am a salesperson that is customer oriented. He also told his boss that I am always willing to work Weekends and that I do not want 40 hours per week due to the fact that I am retired. His boss told him to get a hold of me and have me apply for work.

Now for the kicker, After the first year I would get 2 weeks paid vacation, I would also have Sick Pay, I would have Holiday pay and a bunch of other benefits. Plus, to start with my starting pay rate would be $2 per hour more than what I am making in the current store. I would also be working for my Son-in-law in the Tool section of the store. (I am no stranger to power tools, in Construction I used them, repaired them and in my last few years in the trade I ran the tool room for a company).

Now the question:

Do I remain working for the company that I am currently employed by, or do I quit and go to work for the big chain store?

I really enjoy Most of my current job, the employees that I work with, I highly respect and like my department manager, plus I have built a huge client base of customers that will only buy from me. Plus, I do make a few extra bucks from little bonuses paid by this company for sales of $500 or more; and I would really like to go to Alaska again this year!

But, I have always enjoyed a challenge and proving myself to new Employers; as well as improving my financial situation.

The new company has way more to offer me, I will have the chance to expand my knowledge, I will definitely have a bit more job security and I will make more money.

It saddens me to think of leaving the current store, but all good things must end some time.

What do you think?

Dick


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Feb 26, 2009 15:34 |  #2

Go for it. Change is difficult but the new job sounds less stressful for more money. You'll quickly get a new set of customers if you are good, which it sounds like you are.

I hope it works out for you. :)


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Feb 26, 2009 15:42 |  #3

You sound like someone who worked mostly through the period where loyalty was highly regarded and rewarded.

In the work world of today, these things mean little to nothing. I don't say this lightly.

When I joined the working world after college, I was warned that being a "job hopper" would reflect negatively with potential employees. Fast forward several years and now (according to my wife who is an HR professional) the number of jobs you've held means next to nothing. In fact in some industries, having an unusually low number of past employers can raise eyebrows. It can be a round about way of determining whether or not someone has been in demand throughout their career.

Employers want results out of their people, they want them yesterday and how you came to be there doesn't matter. All you can do is defend yourself against the excesses and understand that the "Golden Rule" today means "Them what has the gold, makes the rules..."

Make the change and enjoy a better situation.


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Feb 26, 2009 17:12 as a reply to  @ FlyingPhotog's post |  #4

Thanks for all of your input Guys and Gals!

The new company is Lowe's Hardware, and as you all know, they are a Huge Company!

I asked about the part about Family members and the only rule is that a Husband and wife can not work in the same store.

My Son-in-law and I have a darned good relationship and there is no way that the job would hurt the relationship. I have worked for closer family members than him. Heck, I even worked for a company that employed my wife and she was my boss! When it comes to work, I am all business and I do what needs to be done without worrying about who told me to do it!

As far as climbing the Corporate Ladder, there is No Way that I am interested! I just want some part time work to help keep me busy and to give me some spending money, so I don't have to use my pension money up.

With the new job I would be selling Hand and Power Tools instead of Hunting and Fishing Equipment. My job as a bow technician and archery expert would be no more. :sad:

My Son-in-law just called me and told me that his boss sneaked into our store and watched me taking care of customers. She was highly impressed with how busy I was and how well I took care of my customers needs and even sold them add on sales. She even said that I could keep my beard! :shocked: :D

I am still having a hard time trying to decide which way to go, part of me wants to hang on to what I have, but the other part of me wants to move on to greener pastures!

My wife said it is up to me to make the decision because I have to do the job. She also reminds me that I am the salesman that could sell Ice Cream to an Eskimo at the North Pole during a snow storm in the middle of winter. (a quote from a previous boss).

Dick


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Feb 27, 2009 01:46 |  #5

Your wife is a wise woman and your son-in-law obviously admires your abilities.

It's all up to you, of course. In your shoes, though, I would take a very good look at your current position. Is the rumour of 190 layoffs likely to be true? Do you see small things like stock not being replaced as quickly as it used to be? Other cutbacks? Are there other 'rumours' about the fiscal stability of your current employer?

How do you feel about Lowes? Do they look like a company that will weather a storm? You wouldn't only be working for your son-in-law, I am guessing. You are possibly working with others as well. Have you snuck in and evaluated their culture?

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Feb 27, 2009 04:10 |  #6

Many of the people at the Lowe's near me fit the description of the slackers your son in law wants to get rid of. One day, because I had extra time I followed some of them around the store as they did their best to hide from me and other customers. It was funny really because I didn't have a need, just wanted to see how far they would go to avoid having to do something. I caught up with three of them down the aisle from the break room BSing around, having a pre-break break if you will, went to ask a question and one of them actually showed me the hand. It's far from funny when I have a real question and they act that way. Just wish you were going to work at the one near my house.


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Feb 27, 2009 07:43 |  #7

::John:: wrote in post #7416669 (external link)
Your wife is a wise woman and your son-in-law obviously admires your abilities.

It's all up to you, of course. In your shoes, though, I would take a very good look at your current position. Is the rumour of 190 layoffs likely to be true? Do you see small things like stock not being replaced as quickly as it used to be? Other cutbacks? Are there other 'rumours' about the fiscal stability of your current employer?

How do you feel about Lowes? Do they look like a company that will weather a storm? You wouldn't only be working for your son-in-law, I am guessing. You are possibly working with others as well. Have you snuck in and evaluated their culture?

and

bottom line

what is YOUR gut feeling/instinct?

John,
Thank you for your reply! :)
What I have heard is not rumors, it was also in the Newspapers about the Layoffs. :(
As for the stocking of shelves, that is happening less and less all the time. We have gone from getting 2 semi-trucks of freight a week to "We will email you 24 hours ahead of time when a truck is to arrive"! :eek: :(

Lowe's is one of my favorite stores to go to when I need tools or building materials. :) They also have appliances for the home.
They are a huge Corporation and I believe they will be around for a very long time to come. I personally know several of the employees of the store where I will be applying for work. So I would not be a complete stranger in the store.
My Son-in-law has been with Lowe's for about 15 years and he still loves going to work there. :)

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Feb 27, 2009 07:58 |  #8

breal101 wrote in post #7416974 (external link)
Many of the people at the Lowe's near me fit the description of the slackers your son in law wants to get rid of. One day, because I had extra time I followed some of them around the store as they did their best to hide from me and other customers. It was funny really because I didn't have a need, just wanted to see how far they would go to avoid having to do something. I caught up with three of them down the aisle from the break room BSing around, having a pre-break break if you will, went to ask a question and one of them actually showed me the hand. It's far from funny when I have a real question and they act that way. Just wish you were going to work at the one near my house.

breal,
Thanks for the reply! :)
I hate to go into stores that I can not get helped ! If I have a problem like that I don't go back there unless I absolutely can not get what I need somewhere else. :mad:
That is one reason why I work so hard to help my customers. I personally feel that The Customer is My Boss and if I Do Not Serve Them To My Fullest Ability I Do Not Deserve a Job! They Are Paying My Paycheck With Their Money!

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Feb 27, 2009 19:29 as a reply to  @ grandpawrichard's post |  #9

Well, I have a little news and insight on this situation. :) When I got to work this morning (45 minutes early) my department manager came outside to B.S. with me and to join me in a cigarette. We talked about my job offer and about the situation. He told me that the head store manager wanted to talk to me about the situation.

About that time out comes the Big boss. The Three of us talked together about what is going on in the company. It seems that it is mainly a purging of the "Dead wood" in our warehouses and in the corporate offices. Merchandise has been disappearing before it gets to the intended stores, so a huge part of the warehouse crew will be gone!
Corporate Offices are Overloaded with Vice Presidents, assistant vice presidents and assistants to the assistant vice presidents. So, a major house cleaning is in the works!

The store manager told me that at 9:15 a.m. there would be an Important Phone Call for my Department. It would be for me and to NOT leave that person waiting, as it would be the President of the company. He wanted to talk to me personally! :eek:

Like clock work I was paged and told that I had an Important Phone Call, so I rushed to the phone and answered in my usual manner "Thank you for holding, this is Richard in the Field and Stream Department. How may I be of service to you?"
It was the President of the company and we had quite a long chat. He reassured me that the company was not going bankrupt and that I was in no way going to loose my job! In fact, he wished that he had more employees of my caliber! :eek: :) He asked me to Please Stay with the company and that he would definitely make it worth my while. He said that he had my employee file opened up in front of him and he could see that I am due for a raise. He asked what I had been offered by the other company, so I told him straight out. He choked a bit and said that he probably could not meet that offer but he could definitely come close to it. :eek: :) He will see what he can come up with and get back to me, plus he will let my managers know so that it will happen! He also hinted that there probably be another Sales Contest again this year and that the prize will be another trip to Alaska! :)

So, it looks like I just might be sticking around a while longer. So that I can at least see what they offer.

Dick


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Feb 27, 2009 19:42 |  #10

Fantastic news - it feels real good to know you are appreciated and needed, doesn't it? Magic!


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