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The 50mm saga ends? Why it's all thatkatmat's fault: A POTN 50L story (w/ducks!)

 
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Feb 28, 2009 17:40 |  #31

nicksan wrote in post #7426959 (external link)
Congrats on the lens. Small world I guess.

Perry, you make it sound like Matt and I were the strongest advocates against the 50L, but I don't think that is true. I think it's pretty clear we give the 50L it's due. (Along with deserving negative remarks about it.)

My 50L is starting to grow on me too, especially once I got over the focus testing phase, which I was forced into because on my older copy I was seeing some major problems in real world shooting. I am really happy that it went to Canon and not another person b/c it really did shift that badly. So the positive was that they eventually exchanged my old for a UW date coded one. I didn't notice an issue at all in real world shooting, it was just a pleasurable experience.

I suspect on the full bodied shots, you would be far enough from the subject to be outside of the danger zone. At f2.8 you would also have enough DOF to avoid most of it as well. I can definitley make my copy shift all day long when shooting between MFD and 4 feet so. No need for charts for that. So I just try to stay away from that type of shooting. Sometimes I can't though, and it can be frustrating. It is also rather soft and has that ghostly look to things wide open at those distances. My 35L kicks the living day lights out of the 50L at those distances and at f1.4. No contest.

It's definitely a great lens if you can work around these issues. I use mine as a walkaround lens often, and it does very well in that capacity.

Yeah Nick, I can force it to shift if I try as well, it's incredibly easy to do, but I find it manageable, especially because I have the Ee-S screen and I can adjust accordingly. Although on mine it behaves more like simple backfocusing at close distances (since when I press DOF preview there's very little shift) - so it's super easy to manage and doesn't have an impact on my shots - I looked at all my shots from today and they were either bang on or so far off that it had to have been my fault (i.e. well outside shift range).

You were 100% right about the outer points though - the accuracy is hugely improved, even flawless - and I think I read that this is because shift occurs toward the centre of the image circle.

I agree with you about sharpness - it's pretty sharp, but sharpness is not its best quality - its strength lies in many of its other qualities - colour, bokeh, contrast, INSANE resistance to flare, handling etc....

It's a little softer than my 35L was at equivalent apertures (though not too much), and nowhere near my 85L, but it's definitely usable and an improvement over the Sigma in every way.

I really, really like this lens :D.

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How sharp is it wide open? I've heard mixed reviews, and most say it gets pretty good at 1.4.

^ See above :p.


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Feb 28, 2009 17:50 |  #32

What lens is sharper at 1.4, the 35L or 50L?


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Feb 28, 2009 17:56 |  #33

35L

But sharpness isn't everything.


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Feb 28, 2009 18:16 |  #34

You talk as if the 35L is a "lesser" lens!;););)

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Feb 28, 2009 18:17 |  #35

nicksan wrote in post #7427145 (external link)
You talk as if the 35L is a "lesser" lens!;););)

Compared to the 50L? Well....which one do YOU use more, Nick? ;):eek:;)


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Feb 28, 2009 18:22 as a reply to  @ Perry Ge's post |  #36

Glad to hear you finally found the lens Perry. I've followed your trials for some time and they almost put me off my purchase, but I'm glad I trusted to the lens gods and got a seemingly good used copy.

I'm with you though and never did any of the lens tests when I got mine in my sweaty little hands ;)


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Feb 28, 2009 18:33 |  #37

nicksan wrote in post #7427145 (external link)
You talk as if the 35L is a "lesser" lens!;););)

Don't get him started about the build :lol:


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Feb 28, 2009 18:33 |  #38

Congrats, Perry!

Now get shooting in the dark, and find where this lens is really good at :D.

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Feb 28, 2009 18:36 |  #39

TaDa wrote in post #7427224 (external link)
Don't get him started about the build :lol:

35L sharpness + AF speed in the 50L (keep everything about the 50L the same) = best lens ever :D. (Well, 85L sharpness would be even more insane but let's not get carried away).

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Congrats, Perry!

Now get shooting in the dark, and find where this lens is really good at :D.

Kind regards, WIm

I wonder if the Sigma is darker than f/1.4, because shooting at f/1.2, ISO3200, 1/50s on the 50L seems to yield a MUCH brighter exposure than the Sigma did at the same settings...and this thing is a monster in low light :eek:.


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Feb 28, 2009 18:46 |  #40

perryge wrote in post #7427243 (external link)
35L sharpness + AF speed in the 50L (keep everything about the 50L the same) = best lens ever :D. (Well, 85L sharpness would be even more insane but let's not get carried away).

I wonder if the Sigma is darker than f/1.4, because shooting at f/1.2, ISO3200, 1/50s on the 50L seems to yield a MUCH brighter exposure than the Sigma did at the same settings...and this thing is a monster in low light :eek:.

Well, I often have it at 1 to 1 2/3 stops of underexposure when shooting at night, to get the exposure right. :D.

Oh, and do try what I suggested in the other thread :D.

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Feb 28, 2009 18:51 |  #41

WTF are you kidding me - this thing is absurd in low light. Are you sure it's only f/1.2? :p I've never seen this kind of low light capability before...o_O...

Wim, post an example of what you're talking about, I don't have any plants around :D.


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Feb 28, 2009 18:59 |  #42

Two other quick points:

1) I'm still one of those people that prefers 35mm on FF to 50mm on FF.

2) Even so, I think the 35L on 1.3X is damn near perfect. It is just slightly wider than 50mm on FF and just so awesome for a focal length. Plus there is less need to stop down for DOF as is so often the case on FF.....I just think the best answer to the 50mm on FF conundrum is to slap the 35L on a 1D.


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Feb 28, 2009 19:05 |  #43

JeffreyG wrote in post #7427351 (external link)
Two other quick points:

1) I'm still one of those people that prefers 35mm on FF to 50mm on FF.

2) Even so, I think the 35L on 1.3X is damn near perfect. It is just slightly wider than 50mm on FF and just so awesome for a focal length. Plus there is less need to stop down for DOF as is so often the case on FF.....I just think the best answer to the 50mm on FF conundrum is to slap the 35L on a 1D.

You need to stop into the 5D thread more often


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Feb 28, 2009 19:10 |  #44

JeffreyG wrote in post #7427351 (external link)
Two other quick points:

1) I'm still one of those people that prefers 35mm on FF to 50mm on FF.

2) Even so, I think the 35L on 1.3X is damn near perfect. It is just slightly wider than 50mm on FF and just so awesome for a focal length. Plus there is less need to stop down for DOF as is so often the case on FF.....I just think the best answer to the 50mm on FF conundrum is to slap the 35L on a 1D.

Sure, 35 vs 50 - to each their own, and I agree with you about the 35L on 1.3x crops, that's why Shawn sold me his 50L, he was reaching for the 35L more on his MK3. But when your favourite body is the 5D (like me), 50 is the way to go.

Plus, I like the compactness and discreetness of the 5D when I'm just walking around shooting - I feel like a massive douche lugging a ginormous 1-series camera around.


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Feb 28, 2009 19:20 |  #45

perryge wrote in post #7427317 (external link)
WTF are you kidding me - this thing is absurd in low light. Are you sure it's only f/1.2? :p I've never seen this kind of low light capability before...o_O...

Wim, post an example of what you're talking about, I don't have any plants around :D.

Had a look, can only find some F/2 shots. I'll look some more, tomorrow. It's past 2 am here :D.

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