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2009 Detroit Autorama - the great 8

 
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Mar 08, 2009 20:40 |  #1

We'll I applied some of the advice I got here to my indoor car show shooting and did better overall, but still room for improvement.

These are the 8 cars that were up for the Ridler Award this year. For those that don't know, this is probably considered the most prestigious award in the world of car customizing. Some of the work done to these rods is truly amazing.

I shot about half of these with my XTi, and the other half with my Sigma SD14. I won't say which are which just yet.


1. Chris Conly - 1933 Ford Cabriolet:

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2. Harold and Rhea Schrader - 1935 Ford Coupe

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3. Keith Hulin - 1941 Willys Coupe

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4. Nick Pinto - 1940 Ford 2 Door Sedan

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5. Gordy Peters - 1939 Ford Convertible

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6. Paul Ryckman - 1941 Willys Coupe

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7. Alton Love - 1956 Chevy 210

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AND THE WINNER IS:

8. Doug Cooper - 1932 Ford B400 - "DEUCENBERG"

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Somehow I only ended up with two shots of the blue Willys, and both were out of focus. I posted the better of the two. By the second day I was getting over my fear of shooting at ISO 800, but by then I was down in the basement shooting pictures of "Rat Rods".


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Mar 09, 2009 04:50 |  #2

Great shots - nice job capturing the color of #2.

I love going to that show, but it always makes me pay for my lack of winter exercise... my back and legs will be reminding me of it for at least the next few days! :)


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Mar 09, 2009 09:06 |  #3

Good coverage of it!


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Mar 09, 2009 10:04 |  #4

Is it my laptop or are they all underexposed, some quite a bit?

Did you have an umbrella in Cobo? (no, not a lighting unbrella)


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Mar 09, 2009 10:56 |  #5

mlav wrote in post #7486240 (external link)
Is it my laptop or are they all underexposed, some quite a bit?

Did you have an umbrella in Cobo? (no, not a lighting unbrella)


The blue Willys is dark, but it was the only picture of it I had. The rest of them look ok on my monitor, given the conditions. I was using a bounce card on my flash because I don't like the look of direct flash on cars. I did not have a diffuser that would allow me to point the flash directly at the cars. They could be underexposed but they look ok to me. Maybe other people could chime in?


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Mar 09, 2009 16:27 |  #6

They are a bit on the dark side for me too. Nice shots, just a bit underexposed.

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Mar 11, 2009 09:53 |  #7

They could be underexposed but they look ok to me. Maybe other people could chime in?

You need to do two things:
1. Calibrate your monitor:
Monitor Calibration

Color problems? [work in progress?]

2. Did you use manual mode on the flash? It would have given you more control over the combined exposure.


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Mar 11, 2009 10:46 |  #8

PhotosGuy wrote in post #7501594 (external link)
2. Did you use manual mode on the flash? It would have given you more control over the combined exposure.


This is something I need to experiment more with. I believe all the above images were shot with the flash set to ETTL. I wondered if the flash does anything to compensate when it is set to a 45 degree angle and bouncing off a card. I would imagine you would have to make a similar compensation if you use a diffuser on the flash, which is what I wish I had.


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Mar 11, 2009 12:01 |  #9

Part of my problem is I read all this information, but I still can't remember it all in the field, or things I think I understand, I have remembered wrong. I suppose it will come to me in time.

For instance, I did not remember that P mode and AV mode are metered differently when using flash. That might have caused me to under/over expose some shots that I thought would turn out.


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Mar 11, 2009 12:06 |  #10

I am not a fan of the cars but good pics, I am more of a modern car guy!




  
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Mar 11, 2009 22:22 |  #11

Look underexposed to me.


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Mar 12, 2009 10:24 |  #12

I wondered if the flash does anything to compensate when it is set to a 45 degree angle and bouncing off a card.

One pro described it to me as "The cam talks to the strobe, which talks back to the cam, which talks back...", so sometimes they get confused & he only shoots on full manual.

It helps to test, learn your equipment, & standardize some preset conditions like the distance you'll be shooting at IF you're willing to learn to shoot manual with both the cam & strobe. You know what the effect of the strobe will be at that given distance, so you can adjust your shutter speed to either properly expose the background, or even make the background lighter or darker.
Now you can stay at that pre-tested distance & use the zoom to frame your shots & your exposure should be very close. If you have to shoot at a greater distance, there's only one stop difference in light output at 11', & one stop more difference in light output at 16'.
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Probably more than you want to know, but take a look at this: Fill light at sunset.

And, re: my comment... & use the zoom to frame your shots
Some flashes allow for you to set the angle of coverage. You should test your flash to see how much of the frame it covers on wide angle at whatever distance you chose to standardize at. Just stand that distance from a white wall & shoot a frame. See if the light across the wall is even. If not, then zoom in a bit & try again.
The light fall-off at the edges can actually be an advantage at an auto show if you'd like to darken the surrounding environment.


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Mar 12, 2009 12:42 |  #13

I'll have to go back through the EXIFS, but like I said (at least for the Canon) I made a big mistake thinking ETTL worked the same for P mode and AV mode. In P mode I thought it exposed for the scene and added fill from the flash, but it looks like it meters the scene based on the flash exposure. If I took a shot with the camera in P mode with the flash set to ETTL and angled 45 degrees with a bounce card it would make sense that the pictures would be underexposed to a certain degree. (I think.)


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Mar 12, 2009 20:39 |  #14

That's why I like M mode. Nothing changes that I don't change myself.


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Mar 13, 2009 13:57 |  #15

Cool show, and nice shots. I like the composition of them, just underexposed, as others have said.




  
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