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Apr 03, 2005 19:25 |  #1

I have one pan/tilt head for my camera, which accepts manfrotto hexagonal quick release plates.

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After, I started thinking about getting a ballhead... mainly the high end ones: RRS... Arca Swiss...

They all seem to use the rail quick release plates. It also seems that the rail quick release plates are universal.

Now I'm thinking I should've gotten a pan/tilt head with a rail quick release plate.

What do you think? :confused:

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Apr 03, 2005 19:33 |  #2

can you take it back? Seems like rail might be better.


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Apr 03, 2005 19:38 as a reply to  @ Dante King's post |  #3

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can you take it back? Seems like rail might be better.

No, I can't. And I don't really want to, actually.

I NEED the pan/tilt head right now, with a ballhead in some undefined, very distant future.

Plus, I bought it at henrys... so I can only exchange it now and for 2 more days only. And henry doesn't have any arca style pan/tilt heads that I like.

Don't let it influence your replies though!

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Apr 03, 2005 21:31 |  #4

Manfrotto doesn't make an Arca compatible QR system.
Take a look at the QR threads in the Tripod sticky,. it may give some additional info.

The Arca rail system advatages really come into play when trying to balance a heavy lens... otherwise it's advantages are less obvious. Of course the semi universal nature of the system is another huge plaus,. but be advised,. the stuff ain't cheap!


I notice with some of the manfrotto heads the QR adapter is actually machined (well cast) into the head,. is this the case with yours? If not you can replace it,.. and the aother option is to adapt an Arca release adapter by mounting it to one of your QR plates,.

Or for a more elegent solution there is this;
http://cgi.ebay.com …2653&rd=1&ssPag​eName=WDVW (external link)


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Apr 03, 2005 22:20 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #5

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
The Arca rail system advatages really come into play when trying to balance a heavy lens... otherwise it's advantages are less obvious. Of course the semi universal nature of the system is another huge plaus,. but be advised,. the stuff ain't cheap!

I know... It's just that I consider photography a life-long hobby/commitment. And even with my limited experience I noticed the "get what you pay for" trend.

With the amounts of time and effort I am putting into the hobby, it seems that I will end up with some heavy glass... or at least a heavy camera. (think large format monorail)

I notice with some of the manfrotto heads the QR adapter is actually machined (well cast) into the head,. is this the case with yours?

I think so, if I understand the question correctly. When I detach the camera, the QR plate stays with the camera:
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com/images/largeimag​es/5293.jpg (external link)

If not you can replace it,.. and the aother option is to adapt an Arca release adapter by mounting it to one of your QR plates

Bingo! Now I am satisfied and worry free! If (and when) I get that ballhead, I'll only have to get additional adapter. Cause it seems like a really nice pan/tilt head for 35mm systems and I want to keep it.


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Apr 03, 2005 22:56 |  #6

1500 for the arca swiss pan/tilt head. :shock: :shock:

RRS seems cheap.

One more q: RRS website has both arca, linhof? and some other brands listed.

RRS and arca are not the same thing? right?


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Apr 03, 2005 23:12 as a reply to  @ DocFrankenstein's post |  #7

I was heavily invested in Bogen/Manfrotto heads using mainly the RC2 QR plates. I also had the Pan/Tilt head with the hexagonal QR plate. When I bought the big lens, it was apparent that it required a much more substantial support system, so I bought a Wimberly gimbal-style head that uses the Arca/Swiss plates. The system works really well, so I decided to switch everything else over to Arca/Swiss compatible heads. I've bought the Kirk BH-1 and the Acratech. Each is spectacularly designed and manufactured.


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Apr 03, 2005 23:37 as a reply to  @ DocFrankenstein's post |  #8

DocFrankenstein wrote:
1500 for the arca swiss pan/tilt head. :shock: :shock:

RRS seems cheap.

One more q: RRS website has both arca, linhof? and some other brands listed.

RRS and arca are not the same thing? right?

For the sake of this discussion,. forget "arca" as being a company,. but rather as a stadard for the QR rail system.

RRS, Kirk, Linhoff, Graf, Wimberly, Acratech,. these are all companies that make equipment and heads that use the "Arca" standard QR system.

Now as far as Arca as a Company,. the first such heads to use this were made by "Arca Swiss" Interstingly poor Arca swiss has lost most of it's marlket share to these other companies.

As far as I know at this point if you buy a head from RRS you have to buy there head.
But they still talk about the Arca and Linhoff's alot,. and sell parts for them.

that RRS and Kirk heads are just about the best thing out there.


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Apr 03, 2005 23:41 |  #9

P.S. your wise to go the Arca route sooner rather than later,..

I fought it for two years as I just could not stand the prices.. but in the end,. all roads lead to Arca.


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Apr 03, 2005 23:48 as a reply to  @ CyberDyneSystems's post |  #10

Hehe :D

L... arca... 1 series bodies... I better get that co-op position soon. :confused:

Is there a pan/tilt head with arca QR with reasonable prices? I probably won't switch right now, but still


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Apr 04, 2005 01:07 as a reply to  @ DocFrankenstein's post |  #11

DocFrankenstein wrote:
1500 for the arca swiss pan/tilt head. :shock: :shock:

RRS seems cheap.

One more q: RRS website has both arca, linhof? and some other brands listed.

RRS and arca are not the same thing? right?

1500???? Holy Cow. How could thi sbe worth so much?


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Apr 04, 2005 11:47 as a reply to  @ Dante King's post |  #12

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1500???? Holy Cow. How could thi sbe worth so much?

It's not too much, once you look at jewelry prices. ;)
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com/images/largeimag​es/342321.jpg (external link)

Hell... Do u know how much the camera cart for 35mm video camera costs?

150K! For a little cart to put the camera on. But it's smooooooth. :rolleyes:


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Apr 05, 2005 21:18 |  #13

For those who want to get into an "arca" system but are horrified by the prices, you might want to look for arca style clamps at--

www.newtechmachineco.c​om/ (external link)

They're a little heavier than the higher priced competition, but they do work well. You can attach them to the head of your choice.

I've been lucky and found some clamps and plates used. I've also been impatient and bought new parts from Kirk, RRS, and Acratech. The nice thing about the arca system is that the old stuff works with the new, and the expensive stuff works with the cheap without complaining. Once you've experienced these plates and clamps, there's no going back.

PS, try running down a trail with one of those hex plates attached to your camera, they can put a hole in your chest, ouch!




  
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Apr 05, 2005 22:12 as a reply to  @ Mr. Messenger's post |  #14

This is nice!

And to think I was about to get enough hexagonal plates for my system. :o

Those 2 inch arca plates are even cheaper than the Manfrotto plates! Arca club, here I come! :lol:

Fool's joy! LOL :confused:


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Apr 06, 2005 21:24 |  #15

http://www.kirkphoto.c​om/ (external link)
http://www.reallyright​stuff.com/ (external link)

This is no equal. I use many different items from both companies. I purchased an Arca head a few years back from B&H and returned it. Compared to the Kirk head, it was crud.
RRS has really innovative stuff, but I don't know about the knobs they are using on their heads. They have been backordered earlier this winter. I use a number of both RRS and Kirk plates, but I have numerous Kirk heads.


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