Wife wants one............Canon PowerShot G10???

jr_senator wrote in post #7541841
Of course the quality of a picture is subjective. I feel that if something is fantastic to one's point of view then it's fantastic, period. And, if one feels something is lacking then something is lacking. Very nice picture of a lovely young lady.

How existential...

jr_senator wrote in post #7541841
Of course the quality of a picture is subjective. I feel that if something is fantastic to one's point of view then it's fantastic, period. And, if one feels something is lacking then something is lacking. Very nice picture of a lovely young lady.

It does rather seem that you are being overly harsh about the G10 considering that up until now I have never seen you mention that you have actually used one. Or are my comments being rather subjective.

No PP just a couple of crops where necessary, other than that straight out of the camera: http://www.demotix.com​/news/beautiful-bangkok
Best advice...try one out first.

forestmat

For what is by definition a point and shoot camera. I think these images say it all. Great pictures.

10megapixel wrote in post #7539869
The 14.7 MP pictures look fantastic, Image quality is superb. I can crop the hell out of an Image and still have SUPER detail.

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I've got one and it's anything but a 'point and shoot camera'!
Just because it's reasonably small it doesn't mean it's a PaS - people looking for a Point and Shoot would do well to look elsewhere to be honest as this is a complex camera that needs care to get the best from it.

I haven't but briefly held a G10. I don't have to when there are numerous examples of pictures on the Internet. I don't feel I was being overly harsh. What I said applies to whatever camera or lens or exposure or focus or...whatever one considers important to oneself. Many of the pictures my wife takes with her A630 dosen't need any PP. But that is because P&S cameras and others that are not in the more expensive groups have their settings differently set from the factory than the upper classes of cameras. Sharping, contrast, etc settings are already adjusted in the P&S cameras. The degree of "correction" is different for different camera lines. Every picture I take with my DSLR and decide to keep needs PP. Further correction of P&S pictures are not generally expected to be needed. How well detail is rendered is but one part of judging a picture. The 'flow' from one tone to another in a picture is more 'gentel' when the number of pixels per whatever (sq mm, sq cm, sq inch) dosen't exceed a certain point of satution. I have read many postings by members of this forum wishing there were less (and thus larger) pixels that what the camera manifactures shove into many sensors lately. Tonal range is important to me. Perhaps this is because I used a Mayima RB67 for so many years. And, to answer your question, Yes, your comments are rather subjective, as they should be.

forestmat wrote in post #7561673
It does rather seem that you are being overly harsh about the G10 considering that up until now I have never seen you mention that you have actually used one. Or are my comments being rather subjective.

No PP just a couple of crops where necessary, other than that straight out of the camera: http://www.demotix.com​/news/beautiful-bangkok
Best advice...try one out first.

forestmat

I just sold my G10 to get a DSLR. Not because the G10 is a bad camera or anything, it's just that I have found myself in a situation where I need a DSLR to do the things that the G10 simply cannot do. I am shooting more indoor sports photos and photos that require higher ISO performance and more DOF. Here's my opinion...

Buy the G10 if you plan to ...

1. Shoot outdoor landscape photos or general shots in good lighting where background blur behind the subject is not important to you.

2. Want a small portable camera for excellent macro shots.

3. Want a camera for the above that you can easily carry around with you.

Don't buy one if you plan to...

1. Capture any action or sports photos indoors, it's just not gonna happen with good results.

2. Shoot at high ISO's

3. Replace your DSLR and expect it to perform as well in all conditions.

I loved my G10, but I'm shooting different things now and I need a fast shutter and low light performance. The G10 does have DSLR like features like 1600 ISO but not the performance, and I think most people know that going in but some don't and are left dissapointed. One thing that is great about the G10 is the ability to see on the screen what is happening when you make adjustments to ISO. shutter speed, and aperture in real time. This allows a person who is just starting out to see how one is affecting the other and helps to you gain a better understanding how to adjust ANY camera for proper exposure. The G10 is a great learning tool for a beginner and a sufficient "backup" for a DSLR user in the proper conditions. There is no question in my opinion after owning one the quality is outstanding at low ISO's in good lighting conditions. I had a blast with it and I would recommend it to anyone looking for what is probably the best P&S around, but KNOW it's limitations and what you will be shooting mostly.

I only refer to it as a P&S since Canon sort of markets it that way. Of course it is way more advanced than any common P&S. And this is the reason that I purchased mine. I couldn't afford any of the DSLRs that I liked as they were about three times the price of my G10. And I chose the G10 over the LX3 and P6000 because I feel that it is a better piece of equipment. I agree with you that if you want to take good pictures with a G10 you need to know how to take a picture first. My other camera is a Nikon F3HP that I've had for over 15 years, before that I had a Nikon FM2n. My issue with the G10 is getting accustomed to all of the features. My fault for not getting into digital photography for so many years. The nice thing about it is that I can always fall back on my manual camera knowledge.

Woz! wrote in post #7562671
I've got one and it's anything but a 'point and shoot camera'!
Just because it's reasonably small it doesn't mean it's a PaS - people looking for a Point and Shoot would do well to look elsewhere to be honest as this is a complex camera that needs care to get the best from it.

Here are two quick, untouched pics of Ozzy with his favorite toy mouse "Spot" shot under fluorescent lighting with AWB and without flash.

Both are shot in JPEG:
ISO 400
1/8 at F4.5
M3 Fine

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I went ahead and ordered her a G10 for her birthday. Thanks for all the help.

a squared wrote in post #7572224
I only refer to it as a P&S since Canon sort of markets it that way. Of course it is way more advanced than any common P&S. And this is the reason that I purchased mine. I couldn't afford any of the DSLRs that I liked as they were about three times the price of my G10. And I chose the G10 over the LX3 and P6000 because I feel that it is a better piece of equipment. I agree with you that if you want to take good pictures with a G10 you need to know how to take a picture first. My other camera is a Nikon F3HP that I've had for over 15 years, before that I had a Nikon FM2n. My issue with the G10 is getting accustomed to all of the features. My fault for not getting into digital photography for so many years. The nice thing about it is that I can always fall back on my manual camera knowledge.

Here are two quick, untouched pics of Ozzy with his favorite toy mouse "Spot" shot under fluorescent lighting with AWB and without flash.

Both are shot in JPEG:
ISO 400
1/8 at F4.5
M3 Fine

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Those are awesome pictures. Makes me want to give up on learning to use what I have. Sometimes is just gets way too frustrating. Maybe I should sell everything and get a G10; after all, it still has RAW so I could still play with that. And no, I'm not kidding. Sometimes I don't think I am ever really going to "get it" with the DSLR.

I use my G10 as a more portable alternative to my DSLR's.

It doesn't hurt that my wife likes using it and the IS helps with her habit of producing blurry shots from a shaky shutter finger.