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How can I tell how many shutter actuations are on a camera?

 
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Apr 06, 2005 08:59 |  #1

I'm in the market to buy a used Mark II. Is there a way you can tell how many pictures have been taken (ie- shutter actuations)? I've looked through all of the menu options but can't seem to find the info. Perhaps I'm missing it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Apr 06, 2005 09:04 |  #2

It's been said there is an internal 'lifetime' shutter count, but it isn't visible from the menu. It's also been said you require special software to access the count..

This sounds plausible, but I don't know if it's true or not. If it's not true, then there is no way to determine the total shutter count of an EOS digital camera.




  
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Apr 06, 2005 09:23 as a reply to  @ Jim_T's post |  #3

Someone will probably pop in before I get home, but I have a utility at home that will tell you the count on any EOS 1-series camera.


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Apr 06, 2005 09:30 as a reply to  @ defordphoto's post |  #4

RFMSports wrote:
Someone will probably pop in before I get home, but I have a utility at home that will tell you the count on any EOS 1-series camera.

If you can post it somewhere, or tell us where it can be found, it'd be a very useful utility to have.


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Apr 06, 2005 09:30 as a reply to  @ defordphoto's post |  #5

RFMSports wrote:
Someone will probably pop in before I get home, but I have a utility at home that will tell you the count on any EOS 1-series camera.

Please share :D

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Apr 06, 2005 09:40 as a reply to  @ neil_r's post |  #6

Found it!

Go to: http://www.soens.de/ (external link)

Select SOFTWARE

download cancount.exe

Enjoy!


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Apr 06, 2005 10:13 |  #7

I downloaded it. How do you use it?


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Apr 07, 2005 03:55 as a reply to  @ DaveG's post |  #8

Is there anything similar for use with the EOS 20D? Thanks:)


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Apr 07, 2005 05:12 |  #9

You can also open image in something like Exif reader (http://www.takenet.or.​jp/~ryuuji/minisoft/ex​ifread/english/ (external link)) and search for following:

Unknown (0093)3,14 : 28,0,18,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

Bold numbers are important one. 18 is current number of frame (it goes from 0 to 65536) and when it comes over 65536 it turns back to 0 while first number (right now 0 since this is from my brand new 1dmk2) increase to 1. So if you have 70.000 shots it should look ...,1,5000,...


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Apr 07, 2005 07:58 |  #10

I don't believe that retains the number of shutter actuations, at least on the 20D, and the numbers it produces are somewhat more cryptic than primoz reports. In the 20D, what I found was:

IMG_0001 (0093)3,16 : 32,6400,1,0,0,0,65535,​65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

IMG_0100 (0093)3,16 : 32,6400,100,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0
(add 64 to second grouping as folder count increments)

IMG_0101 (0093)3,16 : 32,6464,101,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0

IMG_0200 (0093)3,16 : 32,6464,200,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0
(add 64 to second grouping)

IMG_0201 (0093)3,16 : 32,6528,201,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0

IMG_0255 (0093)3,16 : 32,6528,255,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0
(add 1 to second grouping, reset third grouping to 0; we deduce frame counter is an 8-bit value)

IMG_0256 (0093)3,16 : 32,6529,0,0,0,0,65535,​65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

IMG_0300 (0093)3,16 : 32,6529,44,0,0,0,65535​,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
(add 64 to second grouping as folder count increments)

IMG_0301 (0093)3,16 : 32,6593,45,0,0,0,65535​,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

IMG_0400 (0093)3,16 : 32,6593,144,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0
(add 64 to second grouping as folder count increments)

IMG_0401 (0093)3,16 : 32,6657,145,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0

IMG_0500 (0093)3,16 : 32,6657,244,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0
(add 64 to second grouping as folder count increments)

IMG_0501 (0093)3,16 : 32,6721,245,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0

IMG_0511 (0093)3,16 : 32,6721,255,0,0,0,6553​5,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,​0
(add 1 to second grouping, reset third grouping to 0; we deduce frame counter is an 8-bit value)

IMG_0512 (0093)3,16 : 32,6722,0,0,0,0,65535,​65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

IMG_0526 (0093)3,16 : 32,6722,14,0,0,0,65535​,65535,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
(no apparent reason for groupings 7 & 8 to change here)

IMG_0527 (0093)3,16 : 32,6722,15,0,0,0,3,0,0​,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 as folder count increments

IMG_0600 (0093)3,16 : 32,6722,88,0,0,0,3,0,0​,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
(add 64 to second grouping as folder count increments)

IMG_0601 (0093)3,16 : 32,6786,89,0,0,0,3,0,0​,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

IMG_0674 (0093)3,16 : 32,6786,162,0,0,0,3,0,​0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

(3 shots, no card taken at this point; note, numbering does not reflect this)

IMG_0675 (0093)3,16 : 32,6786,163,0,0,0,3,0,​0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

Note: the 20D starts a new folder every 100 frames. 100 decimal is 64 hex. This would explain adding 64 to group 2. But, at least on the 20D, the numbers are used to track the folder and picture number, not the shutter actuations. Would have been nice . . .


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Apr 07, 2005 08:11 as a reply to  @ Oculus Sinister's post |  #11

Oculus Sinister wrote:
Is there anything similar for use with the EOS 20D? Thanks:)

No.


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Apr 07, 2005 08:15 as a reply to  @ Oculus Sinister's post |  #12

Oculus Sinister wrote:
Is there anything similar for use with the EOS 20D? Thanks:)

I think you drag and drop a photo-file onto the cancount icon. It's been awhile...


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Apr 07, 2005 10:57 as a reply to  @ Jon's post |  #13

That was for 1d, 1ds, 1dmk2 and 1dsmk2. I think 10d, 20d and 300d don't have this "feature", but I'm not 100% sure about this.


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Apr 10, 2005 07:45 as a reply to  @ defordphoto's post |  #14

RFMSports wrote:
I think you drag and drop a photo-file onto the cancount icon. It's been awhile...

That's a cool utility. Wolfe camera in Atlanta couldn't seem to get an actuation count when I had it serviced. Anyway, to use it do this: file: open and open a RAW file. Batabing! There's your answer. Thanks!




  
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Apr 10, 2005 10:31 |  #15

Something is not perfect in CanCount.
I was playing around with it looking at my pictures.
And to start with the Exposure# from CanCount matched the file number.
But then for no reason that is obvious yet the count from CanCount went back 3.
To clarify picture 1E3X3472.tif has an exposure# of 3472. The numbers match.
Then picture 1E3x3473.tif has an exposure# of 3470. Numbers don't match.
This 3 difference has continued to current pcitre 5594.

So I don't know what CanCount is using but it is certainly not 100%.


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