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Mar 19, 2009 14:54 |  #1

Forgive me if this question has been asked before but I am kind of at a loss here. I consider myself somewhat an advanced amateur when it comes to photoshop. I have read Real World Camera RAW for CS3 and currently reading Scott Kelby's CS4 book. I am using CS4 and although it is good (I really like the recovery slider) am I the only one who thinks that Canon's free DPP handles the raw files better? I feel like an oddball here but I honestly think the DPP renders colors more accuratly with and less noise. Yeah, canon probably has some noise suppression algorithms built in and maybe some sharpening but hey, it works pretty darn good. Of course the workflow is better than DPP but at what cost? Personally I would rather spend just a little longer in front of the screen and have great output with DPP than play around in ACR. Anyone else have this view? I shoot with 40D and 30D with L glass if that may have anything to do with it.




  
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Mar 19, 2009 18:40 |  #2

It's been said before that DPP makes better images. Use whatever software you like best :)


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Mar 19, 2009 19:44 |  #3

Yeah, I agree. I DPP does a better job at converting raw files than ACR or Lightroom. The problem I have is I dig Lightroom so much that I don't find the difference enough of an issue to go back to DPP.


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Mar 19, 2009 22:32 |  #4

Have you tried ACR with Adobe's new color profiles? http://labs.adobe.com/​wiki/index.php/DNG_Pro​files (external link)

With those profiles ACR comes close enough to DPP for me to switch to ACR. The one thing that bugged me in DPP was the lack of an arbitrary angle rotate to straighten out photos :-/ I do like DPP's renditions though, but I just couldn't get it to work into a comfortable workflow.

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Forgive me if this question has been asked before but I am kind of at a loss here. I consider myself somewhat an advanced amateur when it comes to photoshop. I have read Real World Camera RAW for CS3 and currently reading Scott Kelby's CS4 book. I am using CS4 and although it is good (I really like the recovery slider) am I the only one who thinks that Canon's free DPP handles the raw files better? I feel like an oddball here but I honestly think the DPP renders colors more accuratly with and less noise. Yeah, canon probably has some noise suppression algorithms built in and maybe some sharpening but hey, it works pretty darn good. Of course the workflow is better than DPP but at what cost? Personally I would rather spend just a little longer in front of the screen and have great output with DPP than play around in ACR. Anyone else have this view? I shoot with 40D and 30D with L glass if that may have anything to do with it.


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Mar 20, 2009 12:53 as a reply to  @ blssdwlf's post |  #5

Thanks for the link to the profiles. I didn't even know that existed. Thanks a lot!




  
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Mar 20, 2009 19:45 as a reply to  @ carloman's post |  #6

I like my pictures in DPP than in ACR because of the color cast issue in ACR.


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Mar 20, 2009 20:38 |  #7

sgogula wrote in post #7565529 (external link)
I like my pictures in DPP than in ACR because of the color cast issue in ACR.

Color cast issue in ACR can be completely eliminated if you calibrate ACR to your camera.

http://www.rags-int-inc.com …chStuff/ColorCa​libration/ (external link)

I have had GREAT success with this process. It's not enough to just use a custom white balance. That only ensures white is white and neutrals are neutral. The rest of the colors could be intepreted incorrectly (and they are) when using a default camera profile in the ACR plugin and/or Lightroom. I was amazed at how bad ACR rendered my reds from my 5D using the default profiles. They've "improved" with the custom ones you can download, but they still aren't as accurate as the custom profiles I made with the color checker chart.


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Mar 21, 2009 03:10 as a reply to  @ JMHPhotography's post |  #8

How did you run the scripts?

I downloaded the scripts into presets/scripts folder and opened a RAW image in ACR and ran one of the scripts and the script program is struck at 'There are no active documents'.


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Mar 21, 2009 08:41 |  #9

I prefer ACR/PS for my workflow rather than DPP/PS.

Color accuracy... both are off (no camera renders accurate colors) and most of the stuff I see posted is "altered" distancing the final image from reality, anyway. So it depends which "off" you prefer and that is moot since you can make it anything you want.

I find DPP renders RAW softer than ACR with all sharpening turned off in both.

I also like ACR for the "temperature" slider, since I am often shooting in artifical light, and "recovery".


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