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Mar 27, 2009 21:40 |  #1

This is me. After reading Strobist 102: 1.2, I decided to try to take a shot in my office and see about blacking out the background just by playing with the light positions and aperture. Both were shot at 1/200, f/22, 5D Mk II with 85mm f/1.8. Two Vivitar flashes (one 285 and one 285HV). The backgrounds pretty much fell away by just adjusting curves a tad. In the B&W, some of my metal window frames were visible, so I blacked that section out in Photoshop.

#1. I think I oversharpened this a bit, and also, smooshing the skin on my nose seems to make for a little bit of a distracting effect... :oops:

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Mar 27, 2009 22:26 |  #2

Handsome guy !
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Mar 29, 2009 10:44 |  #3

Thank you Nick :)

The digits in your username wouldn't happen to be your birthday, would they? That would make us born just a few days apart!

Any other comments on these? Did I hit the focus correctly? Exposure? If it's hard to comment because of the manipulations, I'm attaching the original of #1 here. As you see, the background was not completely eliminated so I had to just paint black over the window sill... Also, I created a virtual copy of this with +1.5 exposure, layered it above the original with an all black layer mask, and painted at 30% opacity white on the mask over my hair and some of the darker portions of my face..

Also, should I have posted this instead in a lighting forum? I'm more concerned with focus, composition, etc., but really would like to get a couple pointers so I want to make sure I have it in the right place :)


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Mar 29, 2009 11:20 |  #4

One more toward the end of this little "session," just having fun now :)

EDIT: Girlfriend said I look like an ogre in this one. She works at the zoo, so I asked her if they had any interest in employing an ogre as an exhibit, but sadly, zoos do not cage and display humans, no matter how brutish we can make ourselves look :(


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Mar 29, 2009 12:34 |  #5

I spot the ol' 25 dollar tripod ;)


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Mar 29, 2009 12:58 |  #6

i spotted the 70-200 lens bag.. i have that one too !!

nice work on the black out.. if you had the alien bee set up, you can really black it out.. set the f stop up to about 16-22 or so.. then you don't need the photoshopping..

i know it is expensive stuff.. i have it on my want list too..

nice work and the photo of your set is good for others to see.

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Mar 29, 2009 14:49 |  #7

yoyoer13 wrote in post #7622909 (external link)
I spot the ol' 25 dollar tripod ;)

hehe, I got that as part of a kit when I was first getting started. It served me well, especially considering the price, but after stepping up to a big kid tripod I can't imagine using it now. But sometimes I bongo-strap a speedlite to it, like here, and it's great because it's so much lower than either of my light stands. I used the same samsonite+285HV+bongo strap combo to make the shadow in this:

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@phamster, yes, I would love to jump to the alienbees setup :). All of the shots were at f/22 (minimum aperture on the 85 1.8, I believe), 1/200 (max flash sync on the 5D II), but I forgot to stop down the ISO and ended up shooting at ISO 200. Although ISO 200 certainly doesn't produce any appreciable noise on my camera, setting it at 100 or even L (50) would have let me add more power to the lights. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would have helped black out the background as well, right?

Also, from looking at these and the rest from that set, I think I probably should have increased the power on the lower light, put something on that to diffuse the light, so as to better illuminate the front of my face, and maybe repositioned it just four inches or so to my right and maybe a little closer to my face. I'll have to try again... maybe I can get girlfriend to let me shoot her like this :)

How do you all focus in these? I put a light stand on the chair with a piece of tape where I thought my head would be and focused manually then checked with live view at 10x. I guess at 85mm, f/22, full frame, subject about 4' from lens, my "acceptably sharp" range was about ten inches, and I didn't really feel like any of these were soft because I must have been well within that range...

This is definitely breaking the bounds of the "People" forum, but I really don't know enough about how the different settings on my speedlites work. Need to learn when it's proper to extend from "wide" to "tele," what the ISO numbers really mean there, etc. When I get a better handle on exactly what I'm doing here then I'll consider jumping up to the Alienbees units. I almost have a bad taste in my mouth from jumping from the XT to 40D to the 5D Mark II all within just a couple of years. Some of my best shots came from the XT + 28-135, and I look back often and wish I'd spent more time mastering the art than money on new equipment. Not to say I don't love my new body, but sometimes I feel like I'm trying to perform brain surgery having only learned how to properly apply a band-aid. In any case, I am very happy to have so much room to grow :) :)

Finally, I need another pocketwizard and that flashzebra motor cord! Although, I wonder if that would just make me want to do more three-light shots and find myself in the same place, stretching to reach for the short RS80-N3 cord...

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Mar 29, 2009 14:59 |  #8

One more thing to spotting items in the clutter of my office! The flash on the shelf there is an Olympus FL-40 in case anybody wonders :)


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Mar 29, 2009 15:04 |  #9

another way of thinking about the blacking out is getting your light source closer to you.. and father away from the background, (put subject close to light) that way the trailing light will fall off..

http://onelightworksho​p.com/ (external link)
is one of the places to talk about what you are doing.

and here http://www.strobist.bl​ogspot.com (external link) which already stated.

so read and practice. that is what i have been doing. heck i don't even have the Pockewizards yet.. i cheapy alzo triggers and their 15 inch soft boxes..

it is all about how you use your equipment.. though nice equipment will let you keep more of your shots..

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Mar 29, 2009 15:13 |  #10

phamster wrote in post #7623621 (external link)
another way of thinking about the blacking out is getting your light source closer to you.. and father away from the background, (put subject close to light) that way the trailing light will fall off..

Yep, that's what I was going for here after reading the strobist lesson. I should try it in a longer room, since my office is only about 10' long. Here, I backed the camera as close as I could get it to the wall and still look through the viewfinder, so as to maximize subject-background distance, and put the main light as close to my face as I could without it trespassing on frame.

Thanks for the other link... I'm off to check it out :)


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Mar 29, 2009 20:54 |  #11

shouldn't you be studying instead of taking pictures man? haha i need to pick up my game and get into lighting asap lol


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