Why Oh Why Do People Moan About 50D

I purchased my 50D a couple of months ago and am very happy with it. I still have the 30D also. Everytime I look at this site the 50D keeps getting hammered. Why? It's a great camera. All this rubbish about grain etc, drives me mad, I used to use neg film and trust me at high ISO's u get even more grain. The 50D really is a great camera and tool and the Pics are just great. Just shut up about it. Most people that don't like it that slag it off, can't really afford it I bet. They have to have a go. Just shut up. 50D 50D 50D 50D

For the same reason people moan about the 500d (which isn't even available here yet), 5d mark II, 40d, etc etc etc . People just like to **** or get the last word in, plain and simple. Someone always has to know more than the other guy and interject their opinion. This is turning into a forum of Ken Rockwell's

You'll find that 90% of the people complaining don't even own the rig they are complaining about.

howardlib wrote in post #7628663
I purchased my 50D a couple of months ago and am very happy with it. I still have the 30D also. Everytime I look at this site the 50D keeps getting hammered. Why? It's a great camera. All this rubbish about grain etc, drives me mad, I used to use neg film and trust me at high ISO's u get even more grain. The 50D really is a great camera and tool and the Pics are just great. Just shut up about it. Most people that don't like it that slag it off, can't really afford it I bet. They have to have a go. Just shut up. 50D 50D 50D 50D

There are three reasons that the 50D gets bashed in my opinion.

1.) It's a new camera and there always seems to be some bashing. Look at the old 40D threads.

2.) It wasn't that big of an upgrade to the 40D. It has some neat features (namely MA) but not a lot of change. Similar to the 20D to 30D upgrade.

3.) dpreview (and other sites if I'm not mistaken) have reviewed this camera to be equal to or less than the older 40D in the noise department and actually have less dynamic range than the 40D. People want improved performance in a new camera and it sounds like the 50D does not really provide that (if these reviews are to be believed).

In the end, it only matters if the camera fulfills your needs. From what I've seen this is a great camera. I certainly wished that I could Micro-adjust my 40D. It's just not good enough that people like me would upgrade to it, and for that it gets bashed.

most people will agree and many will disagree with me but the 50d was not a great upgrade from the 40d. simple as that. and since most of the forum has 40ds... they (and myself) are justifying the purchase of their 40d i guess. Honestly I dont see the 50d as a bad camera, just not a worthwhile upgrade from the 40d.

40Driggs wrote in post #7628686
There are three reasons that the 50D gets bashed in my opinion.

1.) It's a new camera and there always seems to be some bashing. Look at the old 40D threads.

2.) It wasn't that big of an upgrade to the 40D. It has some neat features (namely MA) but not a lot of change. Similar to the 20D to 30D upgrade.

3.) dpreview (and other sites if I'm not mistaken) have reviewed this camera to be equal to or less than the older 40D in the noise department and actually have less dynamic range than the 40D. People want improved performance in a new camera and it sounds like the 50D does not really provide that (if these reviews are to be believed).

In the end, it only matters if the camera fulfills your needs. From what I've seen this is a great camera. I certainly wished that I could Micro-adjust my 40D. It's just not good enough that people like me would upgrade to it, and for that it gets bashed.

Nice Call. Great Camera

It was a huge upgrade over my 30D. If I had owned a 40D I probably would not have upgraded to a 50D. I have used others' 40Ds so I'm familiar with its features.

howardlib wrote in post #7628712
Nice Call. Great Camera

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. The lenses are going to be way more important in the end anyway.

That'll just leave more 50D for me to upgrade to then. Woot 50D here I come.

howardlib wrote in post #7628663
I purchased my 50D a couple of months ago and am very happy with it. I still have the 30D also. Everytime I look at this site the 50D keeps getting hammered. Why? It's a great camera. All this rubbish about grain etc, drives me mad, I used to use neg film and trust me at high ISO's u get even more grain. The 50D really is a great camera and tool and the Pics are just great. Just shut up about it. Most people that don't like it that slag it off, can't really afford it I bet. They have to have a go. Just shut up. 50D 50D 50D 50D

Why? Because camera forums are the number one place to find bitter 83 year old ladies trapped in mens bodies from all ages. I dont get it either, but no matter what camera forum or site you are at 1 out of 4 or 5 people are total jerks and have nothing better to do. If its not about a certain camera body its a Nikon VS. Canon issue. This place is pretty mild, thank goodness! Want some real drama? Check out dpreview

I think part of the reason is people are catching on to the MP race. I would guess that most people who are pretty interested in photography would rather have better dynamic range and high ISO capability than more MP. The 50D was an upgrade on the 40D in ways that give it better check-boxes on the shelf at Best Buy, so I think it was a little bit of a backlash from that.

That said, I wish I had one over my 40D. I'd love to have the micro adjust and better screen. My only problem would be the increased use in CF cards and hard drive size. It seems to me like there wasn't much (if anything) about the 50D that fell backwards from what the 40D could do, but maybe people were hoping for more.

As others have already said, people like to have something to argue and complain about. It is especially easy on the internet where you don't have to be face to face with someone.

Now, if the 60D comes out with higher Res, and the high ISO noise gets worse, you will hear me complain! However I'm expecting a 50D sensor with video.

I have been very happy with my 50D. It was a huge upgrade for me overall. I upgraded from the 20D.

howardlib wrote in post #7628663
I used to use neg film and trust me at high ISO's u get even more grain.

Old colour film, and even slide film, show more grain than modern DSLRs in the equivalent ISO. I would even say that many modern DSLRs are showing even less grain than B&W film at any given ISO. It's a tough comparison for those who never had to work with film in a dark room and do their own enlargments. I use to lurve Ilford 125 as I could get very little grain showing on enlargments (again, depending on what developer you used, temperature, timings, etc)

AudibleSilence wrote in post #7628680
For the same reason people moan about the 500d (which isn't even available here yet), 5d mark II, 40d, etc etc etc . People just like to **** or get the last word in, plain and simple

Yeah, well I hate the absolutely huge files and detail that my 5DMII produces

So true, people **** a lot about their equipment but 99% of the time it's the monkey behind the camera causing problems and not the one in the camera. It is a little monkey that runs about and closes the diaphragm and moves the shutter curtain...isn't it?

New 50D owner, former 30D user. The 50 has more bells and whistles and the updated menu system is more complex (read: less user-friendly, IMO) than the 30D. As far as performance, I'm already seeing IQ improvement after about 100 clicks on the new 50D.

I'll reserve any serious judgements on it until 3-6 months use.

dave

AudibleSilence wrote in post #7628680
This is turning into a forum of Ken Rockwell's

I might take exception to this statement if I could figure out who Ken Rockwell is

I think you are a bit touchy on the topic. And here is why. You have to consider who is posting. If ssomeone on a photo site, they are either brand new and just want help, or they are an enthusiasts of some level. Im sure the new people are not posting that it is bad. So that leaves the enthusiasts. To the general public the XT is still a great camera. But the general public does not judge things like an enthusiasts does. The public will think it is a great camera if it looks cool. An enthusiast will condem a camera for one single feature, wether they would use it or not.

It is just simply some one into ....anything, will be more critical than someone who is not. And you have to consider thier opinion accordingly. Then judge for your self. I am not happy with my 50D high iso performance. But then again, I really have no time that I use the high iso. So to me it is kind of a moot point. I also do not display my photos at 100%. So, I really dont care what they look look at 100%, just at desplay size whatever that ends up to be.