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Apr 23, 2009 19:50 |  #1

Selecting and replacing the background of transparent objects is sometimes quite difficult to do. So I'm curious to see how you guys would approach selecting this pair of glasses. If you work it I'd appreciate you showing you selection method(s). I'll work on my attempt and post it in a few minutes.


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Apr 23, 2009 20:20 |  #2

Here's my try.


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Apr 23, 2009 20:26 |  #3

Being lazy, I'd try the Magic Wand first. Then I'd probably use this:
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Apr 23, 2009 21:48 |  #4

How would the Magic Wand account for the lens....they need to be selected with a method that maintains their opacity so the new background will show up properly.


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Apr 23, 2009 22:10 as a reply to  @ PixelMagic's post |  #5

I used the green channel to make a mask.

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Apr 23, 2009 23:06 |  #6

Being lazy like I am I would change the bleanding mode to multiply...The upside is it retains some apperance of the glass. With just a little more work it would prevent reflection on the near corner from taking on the color of the underlying wood.


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Apr 24, 2009 05:59 as a reply to  @ neumanns's post |  #7

Peano, that's excellent. I originally thought about using a channel mask but then decided on something a bit simpler.

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Apr 24, 2009 06:01 |  #8

That's a great extraction too; I'm impressed by how both you and Peano maintain the transparency of the lens.

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Apr 24, 2009 06:07 |  #9

I just realized that I did not list my steps. Originally I thought about using a channel mask but after thinking over the fact that its primarily a black and white photo I ended up using the Blend If slider.

I changed the background layer to a normal layer and placed the new backdrop in a layer below. Then I used the Blend If slider to blend the white portions of the image with the new backdrop and switched the Blend If mode to Darken. Finally I used the Pen Tool to select the lens, converted the path to a selection, and applied the Distort > Glass filter to slightly skew the portion of the backdrop that shows through the lens; giving the slight magnification effect you should see from a slightly convex glass surface.


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Apr 24, 2009 08:20 |  #10

How would the Magic Wand account for the lens....

I commonly use more than one method of selection on the same image - whatever works best for each part.
You found a good solution with Blend If.


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Apr 24, 2009 12:24 |  #11

After using the quick select tool to select the white, Select > Inverse, pasted it onto my new picture, and made a layer mask that looks like this:


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Apr 24, 2009 16:08 |  #12

I think if this were for work & high res, I'd use the pen tool on the frame.
Then again, Peano's solution works well as well & is quite a bit faster ;)

Fedka also makes a good point about the "distort" filter.

"Multiply" works well for the glass, but not for the (lighter parts of) the frame. So might be a good method with some additional hand work. Or just for the glass.

Gave it a whirl in PS, trying a different solution:

First, I copied the background layer to a new layer

Then I selected the frame, using color range:

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20090424-gufnwq9eis1963guwbc2an4rki.jpg

I applied that as a mask, and refined a bit to get rid of the white outline, and brushed a bit to fill the "harry potter" text and some other "holes":

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20090424-bhdj5ep23upmcj9p4655wrnatp.jpg

Then I copied the background again, and used calculations to get a semi transparant mask for the glass:
Edit: Don't pay too much attention to this bit, since it was just fooling around: at the time I didn't understand much about Calculations...)

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20090424-fubjr1j18wwrfb6mbd3ipikgs3.jpg

Brightened that mask a bit with levels:

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20090424-pifew9crxhuxhjswu7hcemjq6y.jpg

Finaly clicked that mask, and used the magic wand (any other selection tool will work) to select just the glass, and fill the rest of the mask with black.

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20090424-jsfx7thwhngpmhhxuk6j32cjp3.jpg

Placed the glasses on a public domain sky off http://lohrman.com/ski​es/skies.htm (external link) ;)

Not perfect, since there's a bit of bleed, but okay for the time spent I think ;)


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