raw+jpeg with separate picture styles

For the time being I'm shooting with raw+jpeg as I'm still working on my confidence. I've decided that I want to apply picture styles "neutral" for raw and "faithful" for jpeg for more post processing flexibility.

Can separate picture styles accomplished on my 40D when shooting raw+jpeg? If so, can someone point out to me where I can find this info in the manual? I've searched the forum but found no answers.

RAW is just that, RAW. RAW meaning that there is absolutely no processing whatsoever performed in camera to the RAW file. You need to cook a RAW file, often times called "post processing" using your favorite RAW converter of choice. To apply a picture style to a RAW file you have to use Digital Photo Professional (DPP), a Canon program, that came with your camera.

I don't think so, but I don't have a 40D. The real issue here is why? Any post processing setting like sharpness, contrast, white balance or picture styles are only applied to the RAW file when you open it as a "starting point" because that is what you had set when the picture was taken. Those settings are not permanent like they would be in a JPEG. You can just change them when you open the file in DPP, or whatever other RAW converter you're using.

I know what a raw file is and am familiar with DPP and the separate picture styles. However, I've read where it is still advantageous to set raw to "neutral" as it shoots the scene "as is" and is a good reference point.
I'm just wondering if shooting separate pictures styles can be accomplished.

iwannabe wrote in post #7794611
I know what a raw file is and am familiar with DPP and the separate picture styles. However, I've read where it is still advantageous to set raw to "neutral" as it shoots the scene "as is" and is a good reference point.
I'm just wondering if shooting separate pictures styles can be accomplished.

Apparently you don't know what Raw is. There is no advantage to set Neutral for Raw because Raw doesn't have a "style" until you open it and process it. DPP will, by default, open it in whatever style you have set for Jpeg, but it has no effect on the Raw file, only on the initial view you get in DPP. Then you set whatever style you want for the Raw and work from there.

Jpeg settings have no effect on the Raw file. So there is no way to get separate settings for the two files. The Raw file has no settings at all. Just Raw.

IN camera NO, once you set a Pic style it applies to the Jpeg and is set period. The raw file in DPP will take on the look of the pic style chosen in camera the difference is Its not set in stone at all. Dpp allows you to change it at any time you wish.
So again IN camera no, but on your comp, with a Raw image you can pick the pic style as wanted ,edited as needed, convert n save, from there you can RE open the RAW image and reapply another pic style. I actually often do this just for a side by side comparison.

Of course, if you don't use DPP, but use Lightroom, Photoshop, or some other third-party program, the RAW file will open without any initial adjustments. However, in the Adobe programs there are presets that mimic the effects of the Canon styles, and you can easily apply them to the RAW files to appromimate what would happen in DPP.

iwannabe wrote in post #7794611
I know what a raw file is and am familiar with DPP and the separate picture styles. However, I've read where it is still advantageous to set raw to "neutral" as it shoots the scene "as is" and is a good reference point.
I'm just wondering if shooting separate pictures styles can be accomplished.

Where did you read this?

I read that in this forum not to long ago, i cant seem to find the thread. I think it was "what picture style do you chose for RAW." or something along those lines.
I think several stated in it to shoot Neutral or Faithful to get a better starting point when edited IN DPP. Plus since the Pic style does Effect the LCD jpeg (RAW or not) some said Neutral or faithful help better judge not only the LCD but histogram as well.

Aweitzel wrote in post #7794947
I read that in this forum not to long ago, i cant seem to find the thread. I think it was "what picture style do you chose for RAW." or something along those lines.
I think several stated in it to shoot Neutral or Faithful to get a better starting point when edited IN DPP. Plus since the Pic style does Effect the LCD jpeg (RAW or not) some said Neutral or faithful help better judge not only the LCD but histogram as well.

Thanks Aweitzel for helping me clear this up. That is why I asked this in the frist place. I know that I can change the picture style in DPP at anytime but was just wondering if it could be set in camera when shooting raw+jpeg.

My reasoning in even bringing this up is that there is a video on B&H photo about DPP raw workflow. The presenter mentioned using "faithful" (not neutral, my mistake) in raw as his preference because it "shows how the camera was set and gives a good idea on what was really there" when opened in DPP.....pretty much what you just stated.

Thanks for everyone's responses.

Aweitzel wrote in post #7794947
I read that in this forum not to long ago, i cant seem to find the thread. I think it was "what picture style do you chose for RAW." or something along those lines.
I think several stated in it to shoot Neutral or Faithful to get a better starting point when edited IN DPP. Plus since the Pic style does Effect the LCD jpeg (RAW or not) some said Neutral or faithful help better judge not only the LCD but histogram as well.

So why care about raw+jpg then?

Anyway, unless you absolutely need to, NEVER shoot raw+jpg with anything less than a 1dmkiin (or other 1d that is newer). Why? Because you gain nothing and lose buffer and card space. If you want a few jpgs for quick viewing, just batch the raws, DPP, LR, and practically every other decent software will let you batch export them from the raws. Exceptions to this include some photojournalism, but if you really needed the camera for the job you'd likely have a 1d anyway.

The easiest thing to do must be to set the picture style you like for jpeg in the camera, then in DPP (for example) batch process the RAW files to initially open with something else, as they can be changed as you like.

If you must shoot RAW+jpeg for some reason.

apersson850 wrote in post #7795142
If you must shoot RAW+jpeg for some reason.

Maybe there isn't a good reason.
I think I'll just stick to raw.

There is a good reason, i GAIN a RAW and a jpeg file that way.

iwannabe wrote in post #7795029
My reasoning in even bringing this up is that there is a video on B&H photo about DPP raw workflow. The presenter mentioned using "faithful" (not neutral, my mistake) in raw as his preference because it "shows how the camera was set and gives a good idea on what was really there" when opened in DPP.....pretty much what you just stated.

That presenter should be given a swift kick. Although it's true that Neutral and Faithful inflate the histogram less than the others, it still fails to show the additional headroom available in RAW and the red and blue channel histograms are still grossly inflated by the white balancing.

Aweitzel wrote in post #7795316
There is a good reason, i GAIN a RAW and a jpeg file that way.

And waste a lot of space for something that you can get in ten seconds on the PC.